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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Jailminister, Oct 20, 2003.
Have you heard about this monument placement in your hometown. What is being done about it?
Any man who loves to torment Matthew Shepherd's family in ways like this is bound to suffer some chastisement from God himself.
Why do some Christians feel like they have to treat homosexuality differently from any other sin? Would we taunt other sinners in this way?
No wonder many unbelievers hate "Christians" so much.
All sin is repulsive in God's eyes. Man is attempting to make homosexuality an "accepted lifestyle." It is still sin, and God still hates it as much as when Leviticus was written.
That's pretty sick.
I hope they don't put up a monument listing all my sins when I die......... Very Hateful!
Now THAT'S a monument that needs to be removed!!
It's things like this why peole hate christianity, they think we are all like that. We are responsable for representing Jesus well, this is not it.
On the other hand, you are not allowed to put a members name in your topic title.
this is very poor representation and it doesn't resemble Christianity at all. those who use this type of witness to exposes a very serious eternal destiny are in error in a serious degree, they could of done the same with mother theresa as she was not a Christian either. it is one thing to mention that those who are not believing on the Lord Jesus will certainly be condemned as the scripture say, but it is not to be placed as a monument, i do not see this kind of thing even warning sinners but it could harm a faithful witness that comes to give the gospel.
And worse yet, in our main city park we have a 10 commandments monument that has NOT been the center of any controversy in the 45 years since the Eagles placed it.
Of course, "Rev." Phelps is using that as HIS PRECEDENT in setting this monument up right next to it.
This will force our city council to ban ALL monuments, since you can't have one religion (10 commandment) without another (Shepard).
What was it that Jesus said about not judging others?
Isnt it God who decides who is in Hell?
This kind of thing sorely tempts me to sin by setting up a website along the lines of "www.godhatesfredphelps.com". But of course that would be wrong...and untrue, as untrue as the statement "God hates fags"
Yours in Christ
Isn't that where they got the saying, Two wrongs don't make a right?
Is this a true story or a rumor. I haven't heard anything about it. And with all due respect, the picture looks pretty fake.
Artimaeus, you are of course right
USN2pulpit, I wouldn't put anything past Phelps...
Yours in Christ
And, yes - they are quite serious.
Fred Phelps will use any method to draw attention to himself. He is an apostle of hate, and feeds on the emotions he evokes in others. His church in Topeka is made up of his children and grandchildren. He and several of his children are dis-barred lawyers, and several others are practicing, and will bring lawsuits against anyone who opposes them.
This is an expose of Phelps:
"On June 29, 1994 Jon Michael Bell, a former reporter hired to investigate Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church by Stauffer Communications, Inc.,filed a lawsuit in Shawnee County District Court in Topeka, Kansas against Stauffer Communications alleging the Topeka Capital-Journal owed him compensation for overtime and to clarify ownership of his notes and work product. The work product in question, "Addicted to Hate" chronicling the life and times of Fred Phelps, was attached to the lawsuit as Exhibit A making it, therefore, a public document. Learning of the suit, members of Topeka's anti-Phelps underground delivered a certified copy of the lawsuit to a copy shop near the courthouse.
Within 48 hours, Stauffer Communications had written all area media outlets and issued veiled warnings about using the information contained in "Addicted to Hate". A rival Topeka newspaper, the Metro News, announced it was considering publishing the lawsuit in it entirety. The Kansas City Star abided by Stauffer Communication's wishes, but several other media outlets aired or printed portions of the manuscript. Within 48 hours of the filing, Stauffer Communications persuaded a judge to seal the suit so the Clerk of the District Court could no longer make copies for the public. No matter - no such order was issued to the copy shop or to the hundreds of citizens that already had copies.
On July 8, 1994 the Capital-Journal, which had deep-sixed the Phelps project and fired the publisher who authorized it when it was completed last fall, suddenly began its watered-down, copyrighted series on Phelps that they had earlier claimed they wouldn't print. Bell also withdrew his suit the same day. By this time, however, TV networks, wire services, and eastern newspapers had obtained copies of the manuscript, and Stauffer's unprecedented attempt to suppress media discussion of the document attracted the interest of several major East Coast newspapers on First Amendment grounds.
Phelps, a self-proclaimed advocate of the First Amendment, whose 'free speech activities include libel, slander defamation of character, intimidation, obscene language, battery, promptly denounced Stauffer Communications and denied the allegations of child abuse, spouse abuse, and other illegal activities. Anyone familiar with Phelps and his children who remain loyal to him, however, can clearly see these adult children and his wife suffer from the grotesque and obvious behaviors symptomatic of severe, long-term abuse. Where and how the twisted saga of Fred Phelps will end is anyone's guess.
A servant of Christ,
Here is an interview with Phelps. Funny - he says that he loves homosexuals. He also says that we shouldn't be praying for America.
I can't believe he has a congregation still.
Dr Bob, Please keep us updated on what is going on here. What this does is hurts those believers who are trying to reach out to the homosexual community. It just throws gasoline on a fire.
Phelps may be right in his beliefs against the sodomites, but it causes problems elsewhere when it is not tempered with compassion.
Sad thing is that Matt Shepard WAS a real criminal here. Not just the boys who killed him or Rev Phelps who is using him to make publicity.
Matt openly "hit" on one of the two young men in Laramie, making sodomite advances because the young men were clean-cut and he thought they were also homo's.
They planned then to lure him, beat him and tie him to a rail fence on the edge of the University town. They did not plan to kill him, just make him a "lesson" for other sodomites.
They are both in prison. Matt is dead. Phelps is in his glory.
After the trial that sent the boys to prison for life, I happened to fly out on the same flight as Matt's mother and attorney. We had a good visit and I offered them christian sympathy.
The last thing we should do is REJOICE that someone is in hell. Man, that's where we ALL deserve to be.
Yes Dr. Bob, because of what Phelps has done, It has taken away from the truth of the real happenings there.
I don't agree with what happened from either side, but this is a world of evil and someone must be light.
Unfortunately in this instance, neither of the sides is presenting light. Phelps and his minions seem to me to be more on the side of darkness.
If one of our main roles as believers is to worship God, I have to wonder how showing such hatred to a group of people in the manner that Phelps is showing can even be construed by them as worship.