Dr. Mohler on The Future of The SBC

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  1. Thousand Hills

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    As I've mentioned here on BB before I was not raised SBC. This message by Dr. Mohler has helped me gain some better context to some of my personal experiences in the short time I have attended SBC churches. While I may not have much of a right to say it, I do have serious concerns about its future. The SBC has done much good for the kingdom, and has great potential to do so much more. Even though this is a few years old if you are interested in this matter it is well worth your time.

    http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/08...-future-of-the-southern-baptist-convention-2/

    Here is a brief summary:

    Covers History of SBC
    SBC Cradle To Grave- Catholics of The South???
    Compares it to GM (What Happened to them? – Bankrupt)
    Compares it to Enclosed Shopping Malls (What Has happened to them? - they are dying)

    At about minute 42 Mohler Asks:

    -What has changed and why have we not?
    -Has the logic of what we’ve been doing been eclipsed by something else?

    Questions the SBC must ask:
    (1) Missiological or Bueracratic?
    (2) Is our identity tribal or theological? Controversy brings clarity!
    (3) Is the basis of our work together convicitional or confused? We can’t minimize theology!
    (4) Is our logic more secular or sectarian?
    (5) The SBC will either become younger or dead.
    (6) We will either be more diverse or more diminished.
    (7) We will become missional or more methodological
    (8) We will either become more strategic or more anemic.
    (9) We will either be more bold or more boring.
    (10) Will we be happy or bitter?

    Conclusions:

    The SBC has perception and reality problems.
    We are focused on North America, not realizing the world missions vision of the founders.
    We need to recover the primacy of the local church.
    We need to focus on the future.
    Measure churches by scripture not statistics.

    I thank God for men like Dr. Mohler, he is very intelligent and articulate. You may disagree with his theology, but I believe he hits a home run here. He is saying things that need to be said, I just hope that folks are listening.
     
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    My momma always advised me that if I didnt have anything good to say...then to shut up. Ive not alwaays heeded her sage advice....however today I will. Sent you a PM instead.

    Blessings to you.
     
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    Not a SBC, but wasn't there big fight in the seminaries and colleges between the moderates and conservative factions, and the conservatives won out?
     
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    remember that when Charles stanley and Adrian Rogers assumed presidency of the SBC, they were big part of getting shoved out moderates in schools/seaneries, and the cmservatives brought back into acedemia!
     
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    EEEEEEE GADS, is this how the CBF is actually being represented?

    "theologian John Killinger told participants at June 19 and 20 workshops that Jesus wasn't God and He didn't consider Himself to be the Savior of the world. He also said self-realization is the way of salvation, the Gospel of John cannot be taken at face value as an accurate account of Jesus' life, Mark is a "Gnostic gospel" and Daniel "fibbed a lot" since that book's prophesies were actually written after the events about which it prophesied."
     
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    looks like another "Apsotle of satan" who has enetered in among the bethren!
     
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    Thomas, I know you know this, Liberalism is in the eye of the beholder.
     
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    From: http://www.bpnews.net/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=28366

    The bolded remarks sound like Eastern Religions!
     
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    Humph!! All this time I thought your family raised you!! :smilewinkgrin::tongue3::saint::wavey:
     
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    Actually, I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine, I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine, I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal,
    And the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"
     
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    Mohler is just one of a few others who hold to this idea. What has happened as a result is the SBC has pulled out of areas like New Mexico for church planting. Quite a shame.


    Not to mention the method by which the GCR was pushed through is less than credible and honest. The vote taken itself is very questionable. It should have been by ballot. Many question the so called hand raised count.
     
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    What do you mean they wont church plant?
     
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    Well, they have the seeds, but won't go and turn the soil, take the seeds....ahhhhh skip it!! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    They have pulled church planting funds out of areas like New Mexico and are only really investing in inner city. All other money is going overseas.
     
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    Thats where I vigorously disagree with them. Ive commented now how many times that they are non existant in my area....now it figures.
     
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    Yea I know...frustrating & hypocritical.
     
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    A whole lot of people do. And it is a result of the thinking similar to the op. It is all about pragmatism and numbers. What it fails to consider is that some mission fields are not as populated and are harder ground.
     
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    No I get it....but they are also skimmers. They look for the path MOST TRAVELED and/or the most affluent communities. I am not a fan.
     

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