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I would be interested in your listing those doctrines and practices that are contrary to Baptist Doctrine.

As I understand the "New Calvinism" among Southern Baptists it emphasizes:

1. Addressing the on-going evangelical accommodation of postmodernism.

2. Criticizing churches for applying business models to ministry.

3. Concern over "seeker sensitive" churches, church-growth marketing, and manipulative revival techniques.

4. Being missions focused and reaching beyond the church house to reform culture and society.

5. Reclaiming the city centers, largely abandoned for the suburbs in the last half of the last century.

I admit I am troubled that so many of them seem to be continuationist regarding spiritual gifts.

But other than that I don't see where any of it departs from historic Baptist doctrine.

 

I am going to have to assume you cannot answer either my or McCree's questions. I have read the OP article three times. Nowhere does it support your assertion.

Unfortunately you are starting to sound like Evangelist. "Read the book." "Read the op."

Please, tell me you are not going to tell me to "go chase a rabbit."

If you can answer the questions, please do. If you can't just admit it and we will move on.

 

Please, stop being childish and just answer the question.

I have read it three times and I can't find where any Southern Baptist has denied or abandoned historic Baptist doctrine.

I call myself a Particular Baptist. I am sure you remember from Church History the Particular Baptists dating to the early 1600s?

I don't like that some seminary students reacted rudely by interrupting and walking out. And I don't like that the preacher failed to distinguish between Baptist New Calvinists, Presbyterian New Calvinists, and other Covenant Protestants, and instead tarred all with the same broad brush.

I don't need to demonize anyone. I just what you to specify where Southern Baptists deny historic baptist doctrines. So far I have seen absolutely no evidence of that. All I have seen is your continued demonization of anyone who believes in Particular Redemption.

No, the op clearly says "some" New Calvinists, but never says that Baptist New Calvinists support baby sprinkling, allow new members who have not been immersed, demand elder led churches (even though W.B. Johnson, the first president of the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote concerning the plurality of elders in most Baptist churches of the South in his time) etc.

Yes, the Presbyterian positions are Presbyterian and Baptist positions are Baptist. And so far no evidence has been offered to show that Baptists have adopted Presbyterian doctrine or that Presbyterians have adopted Baptist doctrines. For "elder led" in Baptist churches see above.

No evidence of any Southern Baptists who are doing that.

I read it. Not a single Baptist mentioned.

I read it three times. The only childishness is your silly "Read the op."

Asking you to support your unfounded allegation? I don't think so.

 

No, I wouldn't believe it without evidence. What Southern Baptist Church accepts non-baptized members? Asking a question is not evidence. It is not even a claim. It is a question. And a dishonest question at that. It implies that such a church is known to the writer. But he has not offered a church name that meets his assertion. So. No evidence = no proof.

Actually your point is neither made nor sustained. The question would not be considered best evidence in any court in the country. No competent prosecutor would allow his witness offer such a question as if it were a statement, no competent defense attorney would fail to object to the question if it were offered as evidence, and no competent judge would allow the witness to make such a statement.

So, until such a church is named, and the leadership of that church admits that is its policy, it is just hearsay.

 

Yes. The truth is all I "got." Isn't that enough?

Believe what? He never said Baptists were accepting new members without baptism. He said, ”Would you believe that some Southern Baptist churches today are receiving as members those who have merely been sprinkled but have never been immersed?” Perhaps you misunderstood him?

Okay evangelist6589, whatever you say. Nobody read the op except you. Got it. Uh huh.

 

Okay, folks considering the tenor of this thread, I'm going to issue an early:

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