Drinking Question......

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  1. ShotGunWillie

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    If you are of the belief that drinking is a sin against God, so you don't do it because of that reason, but........

    1. If someone you knew relied upon it (drunkard) and needed it to get by would you allow them into your home. Why or Why not?

    2. If you allow someone to drink in your home, is this the same as allowing a theif or a drug addict in your home?

    Looking for Biblical guidance here, the only thing I can find would be 1 Corinthians 5:11
     
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    as long as they aren't doing it in your house whats the problem I wonder?
    Same with someone who drinks.
    I would not allow either in to be done in my house, but the person would be welcome, they may not be happy without their drugs and alochol though.
    I think a person has to decide for themselves about wether or nto they are allowed to drink, scripture warns againt drunkness, but drinking at all, so I think it's personal decision based on personal convictions. The only problem with that is, most people will try and force their personal convictions on everyone else.
    We do not drink by the way. In our area a person drinks is not thought to be a christian, not only is it a bad witness, but a stumbling block to weaker christians.
     
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    ... then that person is guilty of of being grossly ignorant of scripture.
     
  4. ShotGunWillie

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    I love how you continue to respond with nothing that adds to the conversation or thread concerning why it was posted to begin with.....
     
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    Except that you said you were looking for Biblical guidance. You can't get objective biblical guidance from someone whose biblical compass on the core of the topic is off. If a person is of the belief that consumption of alcohol is against God, then that person is guilty of of being grossly ignorant of scripture.

    However, to answer your question:


    1 - Simply having someone over who is a drunkard should not be a problem, so long as they are not under the influence when they are in my house.

    2 - Allowing someone to consume alcohol in my home is not the same as a person abusing drugs in my home. That's because simply consumign alcohol is not abuse. I do not allow alcohol to be abused in my home. This has never happenned, but if someone is drinking too much, I would put a stop to it. Also, if a person is coming over whom I know is a problem drinker, I won't allow alcohol in my house while they're there.
     
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    I think he was only qualifying the OP.
     
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    I was indeed.
     
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    How is that a qualifier
     
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    The qualifier is if a person is grossly ignorant of scripture on the topic of alcohol. Such a person demonstrated by an adherence to the belief that consumption of alcohol is against God.
     
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    Why is it automatically drug abuse, but not automatically alcohol abuse? Are you telling me that a person can use alcohol in moderation, but not a different drug? A person that smokes one joint every 6 months is an abuser? You need to get consistent here.
     
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    You make a good point. It's not automatically drug abuse. If a person is using a legal OTC drug in a responsible manner (such as tylenol, dayquil, claritin, etc), or using a prescribed drug in accordance with their physician, then there's typically not a problem. If, OTOH, someone is ABUSING drugs (which includes any use of a controlled substance), then I would not allow such a person in my home during a time such a person is under the effect of said drug.

    And yes, if a person is smoking a joint for no other purpose than to get high, that person is a drug abuser.
     
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    I would not let them bring drink into my home and I would try to help them stop drinking anywhere.

    No it is not the same. Drinking is not illegal, doing drugs and stealing is against the law.
     
  13. ShotGunWillie

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    But on the basis of sin, not laws, but sin.....
     
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    It's not sinful to recreationally consume alcohol. It is, however, a sin to recreationally use illegal drugs.
     
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    Actually, this might have been a relatively great success for a substance abuser to go 5 months, 30 days, 23 hours and 45 mins before a joint!



    ............ Just saying....:laugh:


    Rules for home....... Make em and keep em. If the rules are good enough for mom, dad, and kids...... they certainly hold for everyone else.

    Abusers have a way of skirting the rules and trying your patience on technicalities. If you refuse smoking in the house.... will they stand out side in the warmth of the open door to smoke. If you refuse to allow liquor in the house, will they hide a stash in some shrubs outside where kids will find? If their friends have bad language and behavior and get barred from the property, will they come for a visit and park at the curb with a rowdy, loud, obnoxious visitation in their car?


    When being helpful, be prayerful. What seems to you as an opportunity, may be the classroom of experience and testing. What seems to be fearsome and wrought with concerns, may be the spring in which someones faith gets launched into an amazing work of God.
     
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    What about legal drugs? If your home was in CA or OR would you allow them to smoke pot?
    If so in states where legal, why not others? If it's sin it's sin. If it's not it's not.
     
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    What about heart, diabetes and other drugs? Should they not be allowed to be taken in a believers home? No smoke in my house, but they would be free to do it outside if it's for medicinal reasons. Really no different than morphine for someone in pain.
     
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    Conceptually you are correct, but a very large majority of the pot consummed in these states is NOT for medical reasons, just as most of the oxycotin used in SE Ohio is not. I would allow neither in my house, as well as no alcohol.
     
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    You must not have read the entier thread. Let me reiterate:

    If a person is using a legal OTC drug in a responsible manner (such as tylenol, dayquil, claritin, etc), or using a prescribed drug in accordance with their physician, then there's typically not a problem. If, OTOH, someone is ABUSING drugs (which includes any use of a controlled substance), then I would not allow such a person in my home during a time such a person is under the effect of said drug.

    And yes, if a person is smoking a joint for no other purpose than to get high, that person is a drug abuser. Doesn't matter if it's legal or not.
     
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    :)
    Thanks for clarifing. I though you were using "legal" as the quantifier. I understand your point. Disagree, but understand. :)
     
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