Driving me grazy

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  1. JackRUS

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    I recently went to the Pitt Panther's web site and read this in their media guide:

    "(Tony) Dorsett has the distinction of being one of only two players in the history of football to win the Heisman Trophy, a collegiate national championship, a Super Bowl championship, and to be elected into the college and pro football halls of fame."

    http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/042506aab.html

    And wouldn't you know it, they didn't name the other player! I was thinking maybe Joe Montana, but I don't remember if he won the Heisman or the national championship at Notre Dame when he played there.

    Does anyone know who this other player was?
     
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    Possibly Paul Hornung.

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    Obviously, BTW. Read the thread title. :laugh: :laugh:

    BTW, Joe Montana did not win the Heisman.

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    Second possibility is Marcus Allen, for I'm not sure if Paul Hornung would be considered to have been on the Irish team as a freshman in 1953. There was a time when schools had "freshman" teams, but I do not know exactly when that began and ended. But both Notre Dame and USC won some 'share' of the National Championship in the freshman years of Paul Hornung and Marcus Allen, respectively. Maybe there have been actually three, including Dorsett, and the Pitt Panthers site is incorrect. :confused:

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    I was looking this up last night and don't have the answer.

    I didn't look this up, but if Paul Hornung was on either of the Packer's Super Bowl teams in 66 and 67, then he's the guy. If Marcus Allen was on the 1978 USC team, then he fits. Montana comes close, but I don't think he won the Heisman.
     
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    Marcus Allen it is.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Allen

    One asterisk: USC won the UPI national championship in 1978. Alabama was the consensus champ except for the UPI poll.

    But hey, I guess it still counts.
     
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    Marcus Allen was on the 1978 USC team, named as national champions (or co-champions) by seven polls including UPI, but not by AP.

    Paul Hornung was on the 1966 Green Bay Packers team that won the first Super Bowl in 1967. Incidentally, he was suffering from a pinched nerve in his neck, and was the only Packer not to actually play in the game.

    The question is was Paul Hornung considered to be on the 1953 Irish team as he was a freshman? Or was there a "Freshman" team then, and Freshmen were not on the 'Varsity' team? The 1953 Irish 'varsity' team also won a share of the National Championship, being rated as champions by 10 different polls (out of 15), although not by either AP or UPI.

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    Not exactly accurate, rbell.

    Polls for the 1978 season, by teams:

    1978
    Alabama:
    AP, FACT*, Football Research, FW, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, NFF
    Oklahoma: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT*, Helms*, Litkenhous, Matthews, Poling, Sagarin
    Southern California: Berryman, FACT*, FB News, Helms*, National Championship Foundation*, Sporting News, UPI

    Asteriks (here) indicate co-champions. Oklahoma (9) actually was named champion or co-champions by more polls than either USC (7) or Alabama (7). In fact, "Helms" actually named tri-champions, to really pass it around.

    Edited to add this, for 1953, Paul Hornung's freshman year:

    1953
    Maryland:
    AP, INS, UPI
    Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling, Sagarin, Williamson
    Oklahoma: Berryman, Football Research

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I guess I'm going to have to e-mail Pitt U to find the answer. I tried Google to no avail.
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    I just e-mailed the university. I'll let you all know if they send back a reply.
     

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