Drone sees Russian base in Ukraine

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    Don't believe your lying eyes. Just listen to Russia tv.
     
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    Why should I believe you? You can't provide any evidence to support your "conclusions" and when you try you can't verify the evidence is what you claim it is. You didn't even know those "NATO" sat images came not from NATO but from a private company. Why should I or anyone trust your conclusions when your research doesn't go any deeper than the current headlines?

    All you can provide to support your "conclusions" is more of your "if you don't believe what I can't prove, you're a Putin lover" baloney.

    That's not an argument, that's an admission that you don't have an argument.
     
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    It is not a good thing to be a friend of Putin, but, as usual, I see that you have no explanation for the dead Russian bodies being shipped home, I see that you have no explanation for the selfies being taken by Russians in the Ukraine, and I see that you have no explanation for the Russian base that was videotaped by a drone inside the Ukraine.

    My advice to you is to quit watching Russian TV.
     
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    And I see as usual you're relying on "evidence" you cannot verify.

    I see you can't verify when. where and by whom these "selfies" were taken.

    I see you can't verify when where and by whom the alleged "drone" video was taken.

    I see all you can do is read a headline and fall for it without being able to verify whether it's true or not.

    I see you're still fixated on using the same fallacy the Nazi's used on the German people to get them to go along with their brand of insanity.

    I see all you can provide is scare tactics and demonization.

    I see that's all you got. And it's old and boring.

    Show me the proof. Verify when where and by whom these "selfies" were taken.

    Show me the proof. Verify when where and by whom this "drone" video was taken.

    I'm well aware that you can use the neocon's recycled Nazi propaganda against people asking questions, but can you prove your claims with evidence?

    I think not. If you could you would have done it long ago.
     
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    Really, Poncho, do you believe Putin and Russian TV over your own lying eyes? Good for you? Even Putin doesn't believe what you believe.
     
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    What I believe is what you have proven several times over.

    You have to resort to idiotic drivel to keep believing what you believe. It's abundantly evident you can't prove what you claim.

    How much does Soros pay you for peddling this un-substantiated pablum?

    You can't verify these pictures and video are what they are purported to be. So you have to resort to your usual "Poncho is a Putin lover" song and dance. Grow up get yourself a brain and learn how to use it to think instead of letting yourself be tricked by every red white and blue neo con man out there.


    Exclusive: Meet the Pro-Russian Separatists of Eastern Ukraine

    Spend a few days riding around the separatist badlands of eastern Ukraine, and you’d have a good chance of running into Alexander Mozhaev, the fighter suspected of being a Russian government operative. He’s hard to miss, and not just because photographs of him — or claiming to be of him — have been made available by the Ukrainian government in recent days. His beard, which juts out of his face like a spade, has made him something of a mascot for the local separatists.

    http://time.com/74405/exclusive-pro-russian-separatists-eastern-ukraine/

    Oopsies, the Ukrainians caught in another lie.

    U.S. House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine

    Exclusive: The U.S. House of Representatives has admitted an ugly truth that the U.S. mainstream media has tried to hide from the American people – that the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers to carry out its bloody war against ethnic Russians, reports Robert Parry.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/12/u-s-house-admits-nazi-role-in-ukraine/

    I understand why you're so adamant about painting me as a "Putin lover" CMG, you don't want anyone to realize you and your neo con men buddies in Washington and the corporate media are "neo nazi" apologists.
     
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    and you verified everything with your own eyes that you read in that article?

    Seems like you have a double standard, you make statements on here all the time that I doubt you have verified with your own eyes.

    When you post something or to a link we are suppose to believe it as fact, but when someone else does you demand that they verify it with their own eyes.
     
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    Most of it. Not everything can be verified. I have hundreds of hours invested in my research on this subject. How about you?

    Then you aren't paying very close attention to what I've posted over the last year and a half.

    No, I ask them to provide evidence to support their claims. As I do. You can either accept what I have provided as evidence or you can provide evidence to support your own conclusions to counter mine so we can then compare it and look for the truth together or you can do as CMG does, make it a battle of personalities and repeat propaganda borrowed from the Nazi's to demonize your opponent instead of looking for and comparing evidence in a rational adult manner.

    It looks like you're choosing the third way and trying to make this personal.
     
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    Putin is the typical corrupt Russian leader no matter what Russian TV says. Russia has been cursed with bad dictators for the last 100 years. Putin violated an agreement to march into Crimea and now he is nibbling away at Ukraine. Putin calls anyone who dislikes Russians by the name of Nazis. Well Patton disliked the Russians and he was no Nazi but the Russians murdered Patton anyway.
     
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    Propaganda Success: How the U.S. Gov’t. Has Reveled in the Success of Its Lying Propaganda

    Published 28 July 2014

    In the wake of the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, widely attributed to Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, many magazines and newspapers around the world issued damning indictments against Russian President Putin, portraying him on their covers as a bloodthirsty fiend, a pariah, a liar, and a murderer.

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    And that’s just print-media magazines. The same is being done in radio, TV, and the blogosphere.

    How can democracy be possible in a nation like that? The public are manipulated by lies, all supporting the aristocracy’s agenda; and two political Parties are financed by that same aristocracy, to use different sales-pitches for their shared agenda — never to expose the aristocracy’s agenda as being what it is: one in which the aristocracy exploits and uses the public, retaining the profits for itself, while transferring the losses off onto the public, thereby producing ever-increasing already-astronomical wealth-inequalities, and reducing governmental services to the public (which are reduced because more and more of government’s taxation-income is going toward absorbing the aristocracy’s accumulated load of losing bets, and toward paying ever-rising interest on the government’s resulting increasing debt-load).

    Is a nation like that a democracy?

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/propaganda-success-u-s-govt-reveled-success-lying-propaganda.html

    No, it's not blatant or obvious or anything that the "western media" is putting unfounded ideas in your head instead of informing you CMG.

    You sound as if you work for them.

    Your "arguments" are exactly like their "news articles" all demonization and no hard evidence. :rolleyes:
     
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    If you believe in reincarnation, then you would agree that Putin is the reincarnation of Stalin. The Russians have never cared for good government.
     
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    US Representative Ed Royce (R, CA) is busy at work destroying the possibility of truth being spoken in the US. On April 15 at a hearing before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs of which Royce is chairman, Royce made use of two minor presstitutes to help him redefine all who take exception to Washington’s lies as “threats” who belong to a deranged pro-Russian propaganda cult. http://www.prisonplanet.com/bloggers-compared-to-isis-during-congressional-hearing.html

    Washington’s problem is that whereas Washington controls the print and TV media in the US and its vassal states in Europe, Canada, Australia, Ukraine, and Japan, Washington does not control Internet sites, such as this one, or media, such as RT, of non-vassal states. Consequently, Washington’s lies are subject to challenge, and as people lose confidence in Western print and TV media because of the propaganda content, Washington’s agendas, which depend on lies, are experiencing rougher sledding.

    Truth is bubbling up through Washington’s propaganda. Confronted with the possibility of a loss of control over every explanation, Hillary Clinton, Ed Royce, and the rest are suddenly complaining that Washington is “losing the information war.” Huge sums of taxpayers’ hard earned money will now be used to combat the truth with lies.

    What to do? How to suppress truth with lies in order to remain in control? The answer says Andrew Lack, Royce, et alia, is to redefine a truth-teller as a terrorist. Thus, the comparison of RT and “dissident” Internet bloggers to the Islamist State and the designated terror group, Boko Haram.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/21/truth-washingtons-enemy-paul-craig-roberts/

    Pentagon Concludes America Not Safe Unless It Conquers The World

    The Pentagon has released its “National Military Strategy of the United States of America 2015,” June 2015. http://news.usni.org/2015/07/02/document-2015-u-s-national-military-strategy
    The document announces a shift in focus from terrorists to “state actors” that “are challenging international norms.” It is important to understand what these words mean. Governments that challenge international norms are sovereign countries that pursue policies independently of Washington’s policies. These “revisionist states” are threats, not because they plan to attack the US, which the Pentagon admits neither Russia nor China intend, but because they are independent. In other words, the norm is dependence on Washington.

    Be sure to grasp the point: The threat is the existence of sovereign states, whose independence of action makes them “revisionist states.” In other words, their independence is out of step with the neoconservative Uni-power doctrine that declares independence to be the right of Washington alone. Washington’s History-given hegemony precludes any other country being independent in its actions.

    Continue . . . http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/10/pentagon-concludes-america-safe-unless-conquers-world-paul-craig-roberts-3/

     
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    Kiev ‘Brainwashing’ Ukrainian People as Economy Collapses – Former PM

    Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov says that authorities in Kiev are driving the country into the depths of economic depression, while brainwashing ordinary Ukrainians into believing that their political predecessors and ‘Russian aggression’ are to blame for their troubles.

    In a comment posted Saturday on his Facebook page, Azarov stated that “the Kiev regime is brainwashing Ukrainians using several myths. Let’s take a look at a couple of them: [The first is that] the economy is collapsing, and the people are worse off because Russia is an aggressor and there is a war going on.”The second myth, according to the former prime minister, is that “‘our predecessors stole everything.’ However, as the folk saying goes, ‘he who shouts ‘get the thief!’ the loudest is a thief himself’, and so it is in this case. The economic results of the first half of 2015 have been compiled. Raw statistics show that the country’s exports have fallen by 40 percent (!) compared with the first half of 2013, in quantitative terms by $12 billion. That is, in one year, exports have fallen by approximately $25 billion.”

    With these figures in mind, Azarov poses a simple question: “Who has reduced the inflow of exchange into the country? The old government, Russia, or [current Prime Minister] Yatsenyuk?”

    Continue . . . http://www.globalresearch.ca/kiev-brainwashing-ukrainian-people-as-economy-collapses-former-pm/5462204

    Islamic Battalions, Stocked With Chechens, Aid Ukraine in War With Rebels

    MARIUPOL, Ukraine — Wearing camouflage, with a bushy salt-and-pepper beard flowing over his chest and a bowie knife sheathed prominently in his belt, the man cut a fearsome figure in the nearly empty restaurant. Waiters hovered apprehensively near the kitchen, and try as he might, the man who calls himself “Muslim,” a former Chechen warlord, could not wave them over for more tea.

    Even for Ukrainians hardened by more than a year of war here against Russian-backed separatists, the appearance of Islamic combatants, mostly Chechens, in towns near the front lines comes as something of a surprise — and for many of the Ukrainians, a welcome one.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/world/europe/islamic-battalions-stocked-with-chechens-aid-ukraine-in-war-with-rebels.html
     
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    Once again the Russian people have accepted a military dictator as their leader. The Russian people have never had liberty.
     
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    That's their choice to make. It's not up to you and George Soros to decide for them.

    Western Presstitutes Dumbfounded by Vladimir Putin’s 89% Approval Rating

    What does this mean?

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/30/western-presstitutes-dumbfounded-vladimir-putins-89-approval-rating/

    It means the only people you're fooling are the ones who keep falling for the same old lies and fear mongering coming from Washington and the MSCM over and over and over and over again.
     
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    The Russian people want to conquer the world and re-establish the old Soviet Empire. They are willing to trade personal freedom for communist power because Russians have always had domestic repression and lack of human rights.

    [​IMG]

    Putincize Video (40 seconds):

    https://youtu.be/6ZDLQk0nPGo
     
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    He says while ignoring NATO's expansion and the neocon's many documents which claim it is the USA's "destiny" to rule the world through military force. :rolleyes:

    How long have you been working for George Soros now CMG?

    Why U.S. Hegemonic Ambitions Are Failing

    Instead of reaching out to the new Russia and the new Russian leaders, the U.S. and the EU decided to bring the eastern European nations into the EU and into NATO. This was despite the fact that a gradual and peaceful entry of Russia into western ways was possible. Greater integration with the West was possible and was occurring despite NATO’s expansion.

    It is really a separate story to understand how NATO succeeded in expanding its role. This was pushed under several aggressive leaders, to the point where NATO has prosecuted warfare in Afghanistan, Libya and the old Yugoslavia. The current secretary-general Rasmussen continues this tradition vigorously and he is exceedingly vocal in demonizing Putin and Russia in order to build up NATO and its role further. His militarism is matched only by the U.S. neocon senators and their media propagandists. The NATO expansion could not have occurred without U.S. support. The U.S. wants NATO belligerence toward Russia. This tends to drive Europe toward the U.S. and away from Russia.

    It is a misreading of Putin to see him as wanting to invade eastern European countries or rebuild a USSR. Putin is being demonized intentionally by some such as Rasmussen. This demonization rejects the attempt to achieve the western hegemonic goal by means of soft power. Putin’s demonization most clearly serves the purpose of NATO and of militaristic neocon thinking.

    The attempt by the U.S. to take Ukraine into the western and NATO orbit has pushed Russia further away from integration with Europe through the resulting sanctions. The policies of Clinton and Bush that separated Russia from the West have now been taken further into economic relations. This is contrary to the ambition of bringing Russia into a western embrace, which is where it seemed that important Russians wanted to take it.

    Why did the U.S. not cultivate peaceful relations with Russia by ending NATO? That would have meant accepting a significant degree of independence of Russia. Russian interests in the Middle East conflicted with those of the U.S. Of greater importance, it would have meant allowing Russian influence on Europe to grow. It would have meant a reduced influence of the U.S. in Europe. The U.S. prefers to keep Europe in its orbit and to consolidate its control over eastern Europe, using a militaristic NATO as a tool. It prefers at times such as now to deal with Russia as a hostile power, raising European hostility to Russia and keeping Europe allied to the U.S.

    Continue . . . https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/09/michael-s-rozeff/the-us-ambition-to-rule-the-world/
     
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    The Russian people have a long history of human rights abuse and lack of domestic freedom. They rally around their murderous dictator Putin because of money. They have traded money for personal freedom.
     

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