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Drug Legalization

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Mar 30, 2006.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Drug Legalization

    This can be the most controversial of the libertarian positions. People who support Prohibition usually support it for several common reasons. They believe the world will be more dangerous or their children will be more likely to get involved with drugs. These responses will try to show them how the world will be safer as a result of relegalizing drugs.

    We will no longer have to parole violent felons from prison to make room for drug users.

    Police will be able to shift all the resources that go to finding and prosecuting drug users and focus on violent thieves, rapists, and murderers.

    Drug Prices will plummet, therefore, theft by drug users will plummet as well since they need less money to support their habit.

    Drug dealers will no longer carry out turf wars and drive by shootings once drugs can be legally provided.

    There is no incentive to get your children hooked on drugs or selling drugs. By reducing the profits that can be made from selling drugs, children and teenagers are more likely to get a legitimate job because more money can be made in that job.

    The War on Drugs is over and we lost. (Courtesy of Anthony Bernardo)

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    #1 KenH, Mar 30, 2006
  2. SeekingTruth

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    Ken, strangely, I referenced this movement in a post on another thread before I saw yours.

    I think this type of argument in support of repealing these laws is utter nonsense. One cannot solve a crime problem by making the crime legal. Similarly one cannot solve a health problem by making the major cause more accessible.

    These same arguments have been made during campaigns to repeal liquor controls. Claims that there would be less alcoholism if there is more alcohol, more readily available. Check statistics on this.

    I pray that we never see the day these drugs are made legal.
     
    #2 SeekingTruth, Mar 31, 2006
  3. emeraldctyangel

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    No legalization of drugs. No way. Im with you Seeking.
     
    #3 emeraldctyangel, Mar 31, 2006
  4. billwald

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    You all don't want to live in a free country?
     
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  5. Joseph_Botwinick

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    We do live in a free country.

    We don't want to live in a libertarian utopia: Anarchy.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #5 Joseph_Botwinick, Mar 31, 2006
  6. Ben W

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    In Australia we have few controls on alcohol sales. It is freely available, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to anyone aged over 18.

    The government makes a nice slice of taxation out of it and I think that is why they do not really worry too much about it. Yet we have a massive problem with drink driving and the road toll as a result.

    We have random breath testing which I think is called "Sobriety checkpoints" in the U.S, yet each weekend people are still caught in huge numbers. Being caught over .08 is instant loss of licence yet scince Christmas, my city of 2 million people has seen over 700 licence suspensions.

    Over a third of our road toll is directly related to Drink Driving, and they are refusing to release the figures for the Drug Driving cases which are believe to be another third.

    Alcohol should be regulated, and if governments cant do this, how could they ever regulate and maintain safe using of Methamphetamine! :rolleyes:
     
    #6 Ben W, Mar 31, 2006
  7. KenH

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    During a large portion of our nation's history the use of drugs that has been criminalized today were not criminalized. And our nation clearly had better morals as a society overall back then than it does today.
     
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    Not true. They just had different sins to deal with. I, personally, think we are more moral today in some ways and less so in other ways. For example, the way we don't own slaves as a society today and how slavery is illegal...I think that is a whole lot more moral than we were in the 1800's and before.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #8 Joseph_Botwinick, Mar 31, 2006
  9. KenH

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    Eccles. 1:9 (ESV)
    What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.
     
    #9 KenH, Apr 1, 2006
  10. SeekingTruth

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    Ken, you said "And our nation clearly had better morals as a society overall back then than it does today. ". What is the basis for this statement? My reading of history shows that this nation was at least as violent, perhaps more so, had a high crime rate, practiced the abomination of slavery for many years, used extreme child labor in factories, had no protection for the worker, .... need I go on?

    And you call this better morals????? :eek: :eek:
     
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  11. KenH

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    When I was a kid I could walk downtown - by myself - to get a haircut or to go to the movies. The popular shows were ones like "Gunsmoke", "Bonanza", etc., not ones like "Desperate Housewives". I wasn't taught evolution in the government school. I never even heard of the word homosexual until around my early teenage years. I hardly ever heard a cuss word when I was a kid - from other kids or in TV shows or in movies. There was very little of the idea of fornication being acceptable in TV shows or in movies.

    Now we have Leviathan-size government with its war on drugs, war on fat, etc., etc., etc. and look at where our public morals are now compared to 40-50 years ago when government was way less intrusive in trying to control the lives of our citizens.

    I think that many people nowadays look to the government as being the arbiter of what is right or wrong - if the government criminalizes it then it must be wrong; if the government doesn't criminalize it or even subsidizes it then it must be okay.

    Instead government should not be looked to to provide moral authority or to decide what is right or wrong based on its laws. Government should be the arbiter to protect an individual's rights from being violated by another individual. Government shouldn't have the power to decide which rights an individual can have irrespective of whether the exercise of an individual right interfers with another individual's rights.
     
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    AMEN, KenH! We are living in a new world and it is a done deed. Christians in America should be preparing for a season of sucking on hind tit instead of planning how to rule the world.
     
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    I cant speak for you Bill, but I am very free. I just choose not to do stupid things like drugs or support anyone thinking the legalization of drugs is the answer. Thanks for asking.
     
    #13 emeraldctyangel, Apr 1, 2006
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    You do not have the freedom to do stupid things like drugs. Leviathan says so.

    Also, on the issue of ending prohibition, the drug dealers don't want to see it end, either, just like you.
     
    #14 KenH, Apr 1, 2006
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    This guy is either a) a fan of classics of science fiction or b)Professor of Finance at UCLA or c) part of a songwriting team for the band 'Sketches' out of the DC area.

    Leviathan strikes again. LOL! [​IMG]
     
    #15 emeraldctyangel, Apr 2, 2006
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    I've given up trying to debate Ken on this issue.

    PREVIOUS THREAD

    And after all answered and answered again Ken's points without response, Ken pulled a Saddam and declared victory virtually at the end of the thread.

    Y'all give it a shot. Maybe he'll actually debate in this thread.
     
    #16 fromtheright, Apr 3, 2006
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    KenH,

    Can I ask you a question? Why are you crusading so hard for drug legalization? You seem consumed with this issue...why? That seems an odd topic to constantly be hammering in a Christian forum...
     
    #17 rbell, Apr 4, 2006
  18. SeekingTruth

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    Sadly, it seems that KenH is pushing hard for a form of anarchy. In the "good old days" that he seems to wish to return to where government and morals, particularly in the west, was determined by the man with the strongest arm and who was the best shot with his "shoot arn". At least KenH says that this nation is far more immoral than years ago. You placed no time limit in your original statement KenH.

    Libertarianism, taken to its logical end, will result in anarchy. Law will then be based on survival of the fittest, or most vicious, or richest who can hire the most vicious killers.
     
    #18 SeekingTruth, Apr 4, 2006
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    We often get goverment and God confused. We think it is the job of congress to legislate moraltiy. It isn't. The agent of God here on earth need to get busy. We need to be leading people into a saving knowledge of King of Kings. That is how America can be strong agian. We just need good old fashion Holy Ghost revival.
     
    #19 patrick, Apr 6, 2006
  20. poncho

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    Anarchy only works till there is more than one or two then one will inevitably try to be the leader and coerce the others and that is the begining of government.

    Today's richest people and strongest corporations regularly employ hired guns... Blackwater USA.
     
    #20 poncho, Apr 6, 2006
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