Drum Tabs or Drum Sheet Music?

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  1. youngdavey

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    Hello

    I am teaching myself drums and wonder if anyone knows where I can find Drum Tabs (I think that is what they are called) or drum sheet music suitable for use with worship songs.

    What sought of rythms are most commonly used with worship music?

    I am completely green on this subject so any help/guidance will be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    David
     
  2. Joshua Rhodes

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    Welcome Davey!

    Not sure about that. I'm sure I could do some research on that if you like. I would assume that if you pay close attention you could get some just by listening, but then, maybe Dale or Debby can give you some more ideas, as they are percussionists. Sorry I can't help! But I applaud you for trying to learn!
     
  3. annsni

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    Can I just give you words of wisdom from Liberty DeVito (Billy Joel's drummer) - use a metronome! He used to be the drummer in our worship team (and he'll come back periodically) and he taught a few of our young people to play drums. This is something he told everyone and it made a huge difference.

    I'm not a drummer so I can't help you with your question but I'll always remember him saying this over and over and thought I'd pass it on. :D

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  4. rbell

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    I don't play the set a great deal (more congas/bongos/djembe etc.)...but I've never used tabs. Rather, I've listen closely to demos and mimicked. As I become comfortable with the song/rhythm, I will "interpret" it differently.

    Give us some examples of songs you wish to learn/play. That will help me in knowing what style you will probably gravitate toward, and I could give you some ideas then.

    One thing that helped me: I have an Ensoniq ZR series keyboard. It has a built-in drum machine that for a synth is outstanding. I learned a great deal by playing a set along with the keyboard, thus learning some pretty standard fare.
     
  5. youngdavey

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    Learning Drums

    Hi folks

    So much useful help and encouragement (Thanks Joshua). Thanks to all.

    Yes I do try listening and picking out the drum pattern - but it's not always easy as the drums are often drowned by the music (as it should be I guess).

    My learning kit is an Ion Electronic drum kit which includes a drum machine. What I do with is is to slow it right doiwn and then write the drum score as best I can (still not easy believe it or not, but it can work). It's a pity Ion do not publish a pdf of the rum score/tab but they don't. It could be so useful in learning.

    Thanks also for confirming I need a metronome. I had been thinking along those lines but was uncertain which type to purchase. At present I do find myself gradually speeding up which would be disastrous if left unchecked. I had felt one with clear visual indication (traditional swinging arm type) may be best so I can watch while not being distracted by having to listen above the drum sound. Any suggestions?

    I like all modern worship songs from Graham Kendrick's Shine Jesus Shine, through John Watsons' let Your Living Water Flow, to Terry Macalmon's discography (he is so filled with the spirit he can move me to tears) et al. In our church we are willing to try any new song that's worth singing although we are at present going through an uncertain period as we seek a new minister. I pray we shall remain a lively, worshiping spirit-led church, attractive to young people (and folk not-so-young in body like me).

    Whether or not I'll have the courage to play up front one day remains to be seen but at least I'm learning something new which is already proving an interesting insight to another aspect of music. I now find myself watching/listening to the drummer more than I did before I started along this path.

    God Blesss you all.

    David
     
  6. Dale McNamee

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    Drum Sheet Music or Drum Tabs?

    Dear Davey,

    I read your latest message and you're on the right track and I want to share with you some of my "drumming wisdom" that I've accrued over the past 30 years that I've played.

    Joshua's right, I'm a percussionist, but the basic musical principals are the same, be it drumset or hand drums (congas,bongos,djembe,etc.) (Thanks for recommending me as a resource!) :thumbsup:

    When I began playing in 1975, there weren't many resources for learning to play the congas,especially in Pittsburgh,Pa.!

    I purchased a vinyl LP titled : " Understanding Latin Rhythms" put out by Latin Percussion (I'm dating myself !) :laugh: The record covered the basic hand strokes and how to play an authentic "Tumbao" (basic rhythm) and how that "Tumbao" is the basis for the Cha-Cha,Mambo, Guaguanco.etc.

    There was a metronome playing on that record and how the songs related to it. It would be later on that I would learn about clave' and how many traditional Latin songs embody it. And the metronome helped me with clave'.

    I also played snare drum rudiments in addition to the Latin beats. They helped me to train my hands to get an even sound from each. I mentioned Giovanni Hidalgo earlier and in his instructional video: "One on One",he incorporates them into his lessons. As he says:" A drum is a drum".

    I also took live lessons with teachers and nothing beats it (forgive the pun):laugh: for getting feedback and correcting playing errors,making you a good drummer.

    And I played to Motown, Latin Jazz, and Santana.

    You should check out going on-line and see if you can learn the rudiments. They ARE THE FOUNDATION to all of contemporary drumming and mastering them will give you the confidence to tackle more complex drumming patterns.

    There are many drummers, even the current "drum god's", whose drumming sounds as if they just picked up sticks and began playing. It leaves one very limited.

    A good book for learning is George Lawrence Stone's: "Stick Control", I used it when I was learning.

    Here are some links to get you started:

    From Drum Bum:
    http://www.drumbum.com/drumtabs/

    http://www.drumsdatabase.com/

    From Vic Firth:

    http://www.vicfirth.com/education/studcentersnare.html

    http://www.vicfirth.com/education/studcenterdrumset.html

    I wasn't able to find any "Christian drum tabs" because no one seems to have transcribed them.

    So start learning and become a very good drummer !:thumbsup:

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
  7. Dale McNamee

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    Drum Music or Drum Tabs ?

    Davey,

    I wanted to add this to my previous post, begin playing with your fellow musicians at church so that you can get used to their playing styles (and they can get used to playing with you) and play your part appropriately. It will also help you to develop your sense of timing & taste as well as your individual style.

    After I'd been learning the conga drum for a year, I began playing at a Bible study that I'd been attending. As I got better and better, I played for a local prayer meeting. From there, I began playing in my church for the Sunday service and have done so for the three churches that I've attended over the past 30 years.

    In Christ,

    Dale
     
  8. youngdavey

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    Drums in worship

    Dale

    Thank you so much for some good pointers.

    The Vic Firth site is very helpful. Interestingly Vic recommends playing along with tracks rather than a metronome.

    Some of the other lessons are also very interesting.

    I have created myself some blank Tab Sheets in a spreadsheet and am now transcribing the drum tracks on the drum machine in the kit. This is proving very useful. I also find it easier than writing a drum music score on trebble cleff sheets.

    Thanks for all your pointers.

    David
     
  9. Dale McNamee

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    Re: Drum Music

    Dear Davey,

    You're welcome! I am happy to help a fellow drummer!

    While you say that the Vic Firth site mentions playing along with your favorite songs,which is fine,I did both and learned from both!

    The metronome really helps with problems with "rushing" and "dragging" the beat.

    If you go to the drumset link and to Ndugu Chancler's video lessons,he starts out with a metronome to demonstrate playing "time" and how the "time" starts and ends with the metronome.

    I'm also glad that you have found software to help you write your drum music!

    My music director writes all of his compositions using it and it looks great!

    Your Fellow Drummer In Christ,

    Dale
     
  10. Debby in Philly

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    Great advice Dale!

    Sorry I didn't jump in right away, but then I view things from a band/orchestra point of view, so everything already said is better than I could have done.

    In my church, the durmmer just has to make sure he doesn't drown out the singing - that really makes the older folks mad! Most of the styles he uses are more subtle in nature, adding color more than heavy beat. But it all depends on what the people like.

    God bless you as you make a joyful noise!
     

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