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Dynamic equivalence in KJV

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    Give us this day, our daily double [​IMG]

    ---719 - It is OK for a Bible to use "dynamic equivalence" as long as it's the KJV doing it.

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    This is one of my chief "beefs" with KJVOism (aside from the sheer fact that its entire basis is Biblically untenable): Every "fact" that KJVOnlies present is proferred with the basis of "Do as I say, not as I do!". Double standards aren't merely occasional or even semi-frequent; they are downright pervasive in virtually every tenet of KJVOism.
     
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  3. natters

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    michelle said "He was intending after the pagan Easter (his holiday) to bring him forth to the jews."

    No, for Luke wrote "pascha", which is NOT the name of a pagan holiday. It is the name of a Jewish holiday. If you are right, Luke is wrong. Simple.

    michelle said "You are misinterpreting scriptures. Please read these scriptures, and notice that Passover is never indicated as being the days of unleavened bread."

    OK, time for Bible Reading 101.

    Step 1. According to Exodus 23:15, Exodus 34:18, Lev 23:6, 2 Chron 30:21, 2 Chron 35:17 and Ezra 6:22, how long was "the feast of unleavened bread"? That is correct, 7 days.

    Step 2. According to Luke 22:1, what is another name of "the feast of unleavened bread"? That's right, Passover.

    Michelle said "Not once is the days/feast of unleavened bread called Passover."

    Hello????? What verse have I been repeating OVER AND OVER??? Luke 22:1 "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."

    Luke 22:1. Really. Luke 22:1. I'm not kidding. Luke 22:1.
     
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  4. LarryN

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] Natters, Here you go trying to refute Michelle with actual Scripture references (from the KJV, yet). Haven't we learned yet that we can't confuse her with actual facts? [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Of course she'll either dodge your post entirely, or else provide yet another of her trademark Clinton-esque responses.
     
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    Michelle, I'm sorry if I sounded heated. I was a little. I should have responded in a gentler tone. I apologize.
     
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    What Hebrew text do you use?
     
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    Hello????? What verse have I been repeating OVER AND OVER??? Luke 22:1 "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."

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    And you are not rightly dividing the word of God, nor are you understanding this verse properly because of this. Your proof hangs upon only one verse in light of all the other verses of scripture that tell you the opposite (catholics,JW's, do this same thing). Luke has said exactly what was the truth, to which is not what you are saying it is. Your belief also hangs upon what you think Luke meant in that passage (Acts 12:4), rather than what God has revealed about it in the scriptures. You can go ahead and believe that that verse (Acts 12:4) should say passover. I will believe God, and what he has given to us in our language in the scriptures, for generations, but you need to stop saying that the word Easter is in error, because it is NOT.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    Askjo said "What Hebrew text do you use?"

    I don't. That's all documented in the 1611 KJV.

    Michelle said "And you are not rightly dividing the word of God, nor are you understanding this verse properly because of this."

    I believe Luke 22:1. Do you? If so, explain it. You said "Not once is the days/feast of unleavened bread called Passover" yet Luke said "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover". Your statement and Luke's statement are in direct contradiction to each other. One of you is wrong. Don't let pride over this one silly issue keep you from accepting the truth.

    Luke 22:1
     
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    That is 100% untrue. You know better. You have been shown (4 pages here replete with examples) that they DID use limited D.E. </font>[/QUOTE]Simply, KJV critics misunderstand what D.E does with words in Bible translations. The D.E. method is thought translation or concept translation. The KJV translators favored the word for word translation.
     
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    Askjo, yes, they FAVORED the word for word translation. But they occasionally used the thought for thought translation! That's the point! In these instances, WORD preservation did not take place.
     
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    Click here: Easter or Passover
     
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    Did God inspire the thoughts, not words? If so, show me a verse.
     
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    Askjo said "Click here: Easter or Passover"

    Moorman, Gipp, and others ramble on and on and on. Blah blah blah. We've heard it all before. THEY ALL AVOID LUKE 22:1, because Luke 22:1 blows all the wind out of their sails.

    Luke 22:1. Read it. Believe it.
     
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    My answer to Dr. Bob is that you go ahead to look at the website.
     
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    Repeating your self over and over doesn't make it true michelle. This tactic might have worked when your were a little girl, but it doesn't work with me. I'm the father of 11 children and I know what a tempter tantrum consists of.

    I believe it is evident to everyone who lacks understanding.

    HankD
     
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    I'm not Dr Bob but I looked at the website and they made a mistake...

    KJV Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

    HankD
     
    #116 HankD, Aug 13, 2004
  17. Askjo

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    I think you *vaguely* understand the clear explanation between Acts 12:3-4 and Luke 22:1.

    Luke 22:1 -- Natters, which one? Before or After or today?

    Acts 12:3-4 -- which one? Before or after or today?

    Mark 14:1 -- which one? Before or after or today?

    Matthew 26:2-5 -- which one? Before or after or today?
     
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    Here is your mis-informational comment.
     
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    KJV Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
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    Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh,

    which is called Passover.

    What feast was drawing nigh? Hint, Passover feast, to which is the crucifiction of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the feast that is being spoken of in this verse. The Passover feast of unleavened bread. The feast of unleavened bread, began with Passover. The feast of unleavened bread, is not Passover, but begins with it. The feast of unleavened bread is the observance after the Passover. It is always distinguished, separately, one from the other. The Passover, is the Passover feast of the feast of unleavened bread. Passover was one of the two feasts. Passover was drawing nigh, as was also the feast of unleavened bread. This is supported with the scriptures.


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #119 michelle, Aug 13, 2004
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    Askjo said, multiple times, "which one? Before or After or today?"

    I don't understand what you are asking me. Can you clarify?

    Askjo said "Here is your mis-informational comment."

    It wasn't a comment, it was a question. One (among others) that you didn't answer.

    Michelle said "What feast was drawing nigh? Hint, Passover feast, to which is the crucifiction of our Lord Jesus Christ."

    OK Michelle, read Luke 22:1 REAL slowly. The verse ITSELF says what feast. It says "feast of unleavened bread". That's the feast that was drawing nigh. Really. Right there in black and white. I'm not joking. "the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh" is the actual text. I'm not making this up.

    Michelle said "The feast of unleavened bread, is not Passover"

    Luke 22:1 says "the feast of unleavened" (yes, that's really what it says) "is called the Passover". Luke says "is". Michelle says "is not". Natters says "Oh my goodness, which one shall I believe?"
     
    #120 natters, Aug 13, 2004
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