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  1. ryarn

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    Could GOD have created the earth out off rocks that are 10 million year old rocks ? (Not existing rocks but rocks he created as 10 million old rocks):BangHead:
     
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    Yes:applause:
     
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    Well, if Adam and Eve looked like adults the day they were created (and that is the impression given in scripture), then God is able to create objects or beings with the appearance of age.

    Adam may have looked 30 years old the day he was created when he was only one day old.
     
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    Yet the Bible says that the trees in the garden "grew out of the ground", so they were not created mature. [Gen 2:9]
     
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    OK, that is the trees and plants, but objects like the Sun, Moon, and stars were created with the appearance of age, as was Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were not created as babies, but adults, they had the appearance of age.

    The question was whether God could create 10 million year old rocks. The answer is yes and no. They could not be 10 million years old the day they were created, but they could appear that old.
     
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    :thumbsup::wavey: Winman, I have to agree with you when I can:laugh:
     
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    Could God?????????????????? Surely you jest. God is the Creator. God makes the rules. God could do anything He pleases.
     
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    I see. So those things that need to have an appearance of age to fit your theory would have that appearance and those things that don't appear to be ages old naturally matured? Kind of an ala carte age theory. So the Grand Canyon was created with the appearance of age but the rain forests were not. The Hawaiian islands were created with the appearance of age but naturally occurring island formation by volcanoes can also occur in real elapsed time.

    Or to put it another way since Adam was created with the appearance of age, so was everything else that needed to be.
     
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    ITL,

    So on the first day Adam was created as a man.....where did he acquire language and vocabulary skills to name all the animals? Did he buy a copy of hooked on phonics? You understand exactly how God did this? It was over time or was it as the bible declares it to be,when the bible speaks for itself?

    6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    The same supernatural power that commanded light to shine out of darkness is needed to bring dead sinners to life now. You deny the one, you deny the other.
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs: And indeed he has-

    115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

    2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

    3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
     
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    No, I don't understand how God did it. But man is a unique creation, created in God's image. Plants, rocks, animals, are not. There is no reason to believe that rocks were created with age built in simply because Adam was created that way. If we follow this logic God created man at say, 30 years old, starlight at millions of years old, volcanoes at thousands of years old, coral reefs at thousands of years old, yet trees "grew out of the ground"...

    Whoa, are you saying if I don't agree to a literal 6 day, 24 hour creation account with age built in I'm denying the saving power of Jesus?
     
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    Well, first of all, it said all the plants grew in ONE DAY.

    Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    There were no plants on the second day, but on the third day there is grass, herb yielding seed, and trees yielding fruit. Now, apples don't simply pop out in one day, but that is exactly what happened here, so these plants had the appearance of age.

    Why does it bother you that something would be created with the appearance of age?

    Actually, how can a created thing not have the appearance of age? The moment the moon was created, it probably looked old.
     
  13. ryarn

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    Amen Winman,did all animals start out in a fetal stage or maybe they were mature enough to start reproducing from the day they were created. What came first the chicken or the egg????:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    This doesn't mean they were all saplings. How did an immature tree produce the fruit they ate from?
     
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    Because Psalm 19 says that studying God's creation produces knowledge. The knowledge that we have points to an old
    Earth. It is impossible to learn that God created Earth with an appearance of age by observation, therefore Psalm 19 doesn't make sense.
     
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    God could have made some trees fully mature. The tree of Life and tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for starters. But it's a stretch to say that since organisms were possibly created in various stages of maturity, therefore anything imaginable could be created to appear to be millions of years old. Or any age in between.
     
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    That could be one interpretation of Psalms 19, but not necessarily the only one. Creation does indeed produce knowledge. Since the title of the op is Earth, how about Romans 1. The purpose of the entire Bible is to bring a lost and dying world to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. Yet, to come to salvation, John says one must believe there is a God, and Romans 1 explains how we can recognize a Creator by observing things around us, the stars and planets as the travel their courses, the seasons, the order of everything on earth. If anyone opens their eyes and looks, it is amazing that anyone could not believe there is a God. The air exchanged between plants and animals, the rain cycle, the seasons, etc, etc.

    So, if Romans 1 convinced a person that there is a God, then the person is ready to come to faith in Jesus Christ by hearing the Word. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. So certainly earth, where we live, is a intergal part in learning about God and His love and mercy. He made this the perfect place for us to live. As far as the chain of events at or shortly after the Creation, I do not know. There are many mysteries about time and space, and if they have been constant since the day of Creation. Lots we do not understand and never will. I used to believe in old earth, but have changed in the last ten years to new earth. The Bible says six days of Creation, and it is by faith I believe that. No I cannot explain the timeline for the dinosaurs.
     
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    How is it a stretch? In all likelihood it makes the most sense. The birds of the air flew on the day they were created. The land had layers of sediment. Think an artist sitting down at a blank canvas. His finished product of a nature scene has age painted into the picture. Why would it be any different with the Creator?
     
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    I suppose it is possible, but why create things with wildly disparate ages? I think it was GreekTim that brought up a good point--if we accept YEC then any astronomical event we witness that took longer than 6,000 years for the light to get here never actually occurred.

    Because God doesn't work from a template? Lol.
     
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    Thats assuming the light actually traveled the way he assumed and not instantly created that way.



    Not a limited one at least. I think Bob Ross would have a hard time adding dna to his work :)
     

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