Eating Biblically - Clean or Unclean?

As a former New Ager and vegetarian (I am still vegetarian) I have to heartily disagree with this! It is the beliefs and practices of those in the New Age that open the doors for demonic influence, not their diet. It has nothing to do with what they eat or don't eat.

But if you have a spirit guide or are open to receive one or do techniques that bring one to you, contact the dead (supposedly), do astrology or consult one, consult psychics, etc. like most New Agers (and some Christians), you will open the door.

 

Some food for thought...

Hi everyone!
Here's another reference to what to eat or not eat, in scripture. Acts 10, 9-16:

9The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13And there came a voice to him: "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." 14But Peter said, "By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean." 15And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has made clean, do not call common." 16This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven. (ESV, 2001)

If God has provided it (food), how can it be unclean?

Blessings!

 

What....no grits, Tim?

We are still to keep the moral laws from the Old Testament, but Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws (including the dietary laws, blood sacrifices, etc.).

A group in our church went on a 'Biblical' diet and lost weight, but gained it (and more) back. So, either they lost their first love (Bible) or the diet was made up based on Scriptures from here and there.

I am eating a lot more healthy now than I used to, but my diet is not linked to Old Testament laws.

And crawdads are STILL fishbait around here. LOL

 

Were you a vegetarian before being a New Ager?

 

I can't stand grits... It is the northern side of me I guess! lol
Although, when I was in Cleveland a couple yrs ago, I couldn't understand why I couldn't get sausage gravy at McDonalds, but could get grits!
I thought grits were a southern food.

OH, and don't eat fish bait either!:laugh:

 

"all things in moderation..." The key to diet and good eating anyway. Eat less and more frequently; smaller meals. This is the key to healthy eating and not always what one consumes.

If a pig is so bad, why was it created? What is the global purpose of the hog?

Please pass me some more English pork pie!

Cheers,

Jim

 

Bad argument

 

Hello Brother Sorry this took so long.

My thoughts are....Jesus was not a vegetarian. The Bible records Jesus eating fish (Luke 24:42-43) and lamb. He declared all foods to be clean Acts 10:10-15

I believe clean only means it is not sinful to eat all foods, meaning we wouldn't be defiling our earthly temple by eating food. That doesn't mean they are clean or that these animals suddenly became "healthy". Scavengers are scavengers, it stands to reason if they are feeding off of feces and other disgusting things....well imo, God knows what food is best for us. rest. To eat what was forbidden to the Isrealites may be best enjoyed as a special delicacy once in a while.

Either way, regarding salvation, vegetarians and non-vegetarians are equal

Romans 14:2-3 tells us, "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.


The real problem with eating meat today is that we posess the knowledge today to understand we are or are possibly, paying someone to torture Gods precious creations. We know it's likely the meat we are eating contains drugs, and the Lord commanded us to be sober minded. That slight high effect which comes (or not) may be a result of meat.

It is not morally wrong to kill animals for food, but it is morally wrong totorture them before doing so. Kill them, make it quick. But in the majority of factory slaughter houses, the mightly $$ is more important than Gods commands.

Proverbs 12:10 tells us, "A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel."


Just one example, it's routine imo for chickens to be abused, tortured and pumped with drugs. Maybe not in all areas, but I think in many in the US. If one can affort it, it's best to really check out where your meat comes from, and what the animals are being fed. Are they free to roam? the problem is we do not have enough land on earth any more to allow Cows to graze freely as God intended.

http://www.chickenindustry.com/cfi/broilerindustryreport/

Excerpt: "The vast majority of chicken meat we find in grocery stores and restaurants comes from “broiler” chickens intensively confined on “factory farms.” Each year in the United States, more than 8 billion chickens are raised on these farms. These chickens suffer both acute and chronic pain due to selective breeding, confinement, transportation, and slaughter."

 

Not exactly. I became one when getting involved in animal rights stuff, which is the same time I was becoming more involved in New Age stuff, though I got even deeper into the New Age a bit later. It's hard to find the starting point of when I got into the New Age. People don't just become involved overnight; usually it's a process of at least a year or several years.

There is a lot of cruelty in factory farming, which imo is not biblical, but I don't think most people are aware of this (though I just read Joe's post and he's aware). That plus the fact I've totally lost a taste for meat (and I'm allergic to all fish and seafood) makes me glad I'm vegetarian. Oh, and the high price of meat, too.

There are people involved in the New Age who become vegetarian due to some New Age spiritual teachings, but this does not mean being a vegetarian opens a demonic door for them. At that point, the door has already been open. Diet has nothing to do with it and beliefs and practice have everything to do with it (the demonic).

 

I will still hold my position, that those who obstain from meat are more likely to be open to spiritual things, whether it be of God or another source.

Daniel is just one example of someone who became a strict vegetarian and began having spiritual revelations. Jesus, was tempted and became under spiritual attack while fasting.

 

Prayer and fasting are mentioned in the Bible as good things to do. Abstaining from meat is not.

How can eating meat be a bad thing when God sent Quail from Heaven to feed his children in the wilderness?

 

Daniel did this to avoid unclean foods and foods sacrificed to idols. The text gives no indication that refraining from meat enabled him to have "spiritual revelations!" God gave him the revelations and this had nothing to do with not eating meat.

Jesus was tempted while fasting because fasting makes you weak and Satan attacked him then.

Being a vegetarian does not make you weak if you eat right. I know a lot of weak meat eaters. My son hardly missed any school and was raised vegetarian. He is 6'4" and very healthy.

The idea about meat and the effects of not eating it having spiritual ramifications are what Hindus and New Agers believe, not Christians.

 

Abstaining from meat is fine if a Christian wants to avoid it for reasons other than spiritual ones. But not eating meat for some kind of spiritual benefit is a New Age and Eastern concept.