El Paso pastor under investigation for meddling in politics

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  1. freeatlast

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    This is An Action that Should Be...

    ....carried out at the local, regional, state and federal government levels. If our elected officials are not going to represent and reflect the best interest of the majority, they should not be in office.

    I am so tired of hearing these politicians say that they "are voting their conscience!"

    It is their job to vote according to the will of the majority of those who sent them to that office.

    If I were in public office, I would be seeking the input and feedback of my constituents, and make. ALL my decisions based upon the will of the majority of those who responded to issues that would affect their community and neighborhoods.

    We have gotten away from the traditional standards of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington!" Our leaders need to remember who sent them to that sit in public office, and vote accordingly.

    Voting according to their conscience (a political cop out) is not why I voted certain people into office. I voted for them because they had similar principals and ideals that best reflected my ideals, views and visions for the community and my government.

    I know no one can be 100% in line with me, or my way of thinking, but they still need to seek the input of their constituents and make sure they present and try to implement that will, even if it is not the popular choice.

    This is a great article, and I'm happy to see that some pastors are taking an in depth interest in what their local leaders are doing, and trying to send a message that reflects the will of the majority, not the minority; the influential; the rich; or those who contributed to the funds to help them get in office.

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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    I don't understand where this concept comes from. Why not then just have a national referendum instead of electing representatives? Representatives are chosen to represent their constituents. If they were just supposed to be puppets we could just let computers do the voting. A bill comes up, every registered voter logs in and votes, and the computer gives the result for each constituency in Congress.

    If they don't represent properly they are voted out - it is that simple.
     
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    righteousdude2;
    I agree with you. It seems like these politicians have no problem voting their new conscience if they are wined and dined by lobbyists, but they ignore the peoples desires. As a nation that is suppose to have a government, of the people, by the people and for the people we seemed to have forgotten that in or governmental leaders. It is time for a big shake up.
     
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    Want to Koin Me In Making that Happen?

    I dream big, but, it would be great if something could have its grassroots in this OP. We need to shake things up. I'm game, if you are?
     
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    I see. Wet your finger and stick it in the air and see which way the wind is blowing. What about leadership?

    You've just contradicted your previous statement.
     
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    The IRS should investigate if he is a 501c3.
     
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    That would be a direct violation of the 1st amendment. "free" exercise of religion, remember? Religion, in a democratic republic, MUST include the purview of politics (since ones beliefs influence ones votes).

    I.E., you can't revoke a Church's tax exempt status, because that would be breaking the 1st amendment. You also cannot silence them, since that would be inhibiting their free expression. They can endorse whoever they like, and preach against or for whatever, or whoever, they feel compelled to.

    Unfortunately, our government is undoing the constitution, and we are quickly becoming a socialist/communist nation.
     
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    A) Yes you can - there is a "price" for tax exemption - and not just for churches but for any tax exempt organization

    B) no its not - you still have the freedom to speech, but you do not have a right to tax exemption.

    There are churches who choose not to be tax exempt ...
     

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