Dr. Bob, I am actually curious to know more about your thoughts on this matter, but everybody elses too. I wrote this in response to a couple of your posts implying heavy Calvanism. Okay, I have no problem with the total depravity of man. I have no problem with the fact that man can do nothing except present the gospel to mankind and allow God to work. God is responsible for the conversion of the spirit, not man--nor nothing man can do can make a difference. Now, here is my question. "Election". Do you feel this is based on the "foreknowledge" of God, since obviously he stands outside of the time/universe world we live within. We know that God knows who will be saved and who will not be saved. But, how far do your beliefs of "election" go? Let me put this in another question. If God has pre-ordained and elected the people he wants to go to heaven, they are going to go whether or not we witness. Why do we bother? I'm a little confused on this final point of "election" regarding Calvanism. My thoughts have always been that it is based on fore-knowledge and although God knows WHAT will happen, it is up to us to reach everybody that we can with the gospel. The Holy Spirit then convicts and the person either accepts the "invitation" or rejects the "invitation". The fact that God already knows does not negate our responsibility for missions. What say you? Can you clarify this for me.