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Election of 1860

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Salty, Jun 18, 2012.

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  1. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
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    Save your Dixie cup.

    I heard they sell them in the State of Franklin
     
    #21 Salty, Jun 25, 2012
  2. Squire Robertsson

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    Yeup, in 1832 there wasn't the vast disparity in manufacturing or in railroads. So, South Carolina had a chance.
     
    #22 Squire Robertsson, Jun 26, 2012
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    When I was in graduate school, I did a lot of research on the State of Franklin. This was located in the upper eastern part of what's now Tennessee.

    One of the principal reasons for this secessionist movement back during the era of the Articles of Conferation (a precursor to our Constitution) was due to the fact that the settlers in that area felt that North Carolina (which nominally controlled that region at the time) wasn't affording them adequate protection from the marauding Indians that confronted them on an almost daily basis.

    While NC's government, on paper at least, was supposed to protect the settlers in that area, in the eyes of the settlers, these "bigwigs" on the other side of the Smoky Mountains were not keeping up their end of the bargain.

    Do we see any similarity between the plight of these late 18th century settlers and the situation on that the law-abiding citizens of our modern day southwestern border region and AG Holder's lack of enforcement of our immigration laws that are on the books?
     
    #23 ktn4eg, Jun 26, 2012
  4. billwald

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    No. Our Arizona citizens did not steal their land from Mexicans. The TN citizens stole the land from the Indian People.
     
    #24 billwald, Jun 26, 2012
  5. Squire Robertsson

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    Popular Sovereignty vs. Soil Sovereignty was an underlying cause for the South.

    Soil Sovereignty says a person is an American citizen because they are a New Yorker, Virginian, or a citizen of any of the established States (in contrast to 14th Amendment which codified Popular Sovereignty). This meant residents of a Territory (Kansas anybody) did not have the right to decide if the territory would be free or slave. Such a decision could only be made by Congress in Washington.

    Further, the the South seceded when it did because its power structure saw it was about loose control of Congress in the 1870 census. The Northern, Mid-Western and Plains were filling up with European immigrants faster than the Southern States.
     
    #25 Squire Robertsson, Jun 26, 2012
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    A question

    As a Westerner, my father's folks were to busy fighting Indians to worry about what was going on back East. (That's my Dad's version and I'm sticking to it.)

    I ask you to consider the following in light of antebellum and pre-14th Amend. attitudes towards citizenship. How secure would you (you're free, white male and over 21) feel in your rights if you traveled outside your home state? Would you feel secure traveling through small towns? Think of the implications for those of us who are used to freely traveling the country in 2012.
     
    #26 Squire Robertsson, Jun 26, 2012
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    La Raza disagrees with you. La Raza supporters demand that the land “stolen” from Mexico in the war of 1846 be returned.

    Back to topic at hand.....
     
    #27 LadyEagle, Jun 27, 2012
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