DHK has raised the issue of election, and acted as if though I have skirted this issue. Not to disappoint him I am introducing this thread to address that issue directly. To my knowledge there are only two positions to take on election, but I am open to any other views that might be presented. One comes from a clearly Calvinistic notion that sits handily in the lap of necessity, i.e., God is presented as the first and only cause of the salvation of the elect, salvation being said to be “all of God.” The other opposes the necessity of the Calvinistic system and defines election within parameters inclusive of true freedom of the will, viewing election via the foreknowledge of God as opposed to His will being the actual 'cause.' Just so I am not accused of misrepresenting the Calvinistic notion of election, would there be a Calvinist on board that would define election from that perspective for the list? How about JA. Now there is an unashamed Calvinist I would believe. I may not agree with him but it would be hard for anyone to misrepresent his views. Would you, or someone else with Calvinistic credibility, be so kind as to define election from the Calvinistic viewpoint for us? Thanks.