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End of Israel?

Discussion in '2007 Archive' started by The Scribe, Nov 29, 2007.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    So are you saying that one can call a belief anti-Semitic without calling a person who holds such a belief anti-Semitic?
     
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  2. KenH

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    I reckon every belief expressed on this board, outside of the fundamentals of the faith, has been called a false doctrine.
     
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    I think this is a very good question!
     
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    If it weren't for that one pesky word, "forevermore".......

    That being said, the anti-semetic accusation isn't warranted. Could be that we are ALL wrong on this.

    But I do believe we are to pray for Israel, and I do believe that's where Christ's Earthly kingdom will be set.
     
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  5. Linda64

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    Psalms 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

    I have a question: What do you call a doctrine that is clearly anti-Israel and calls for the "dissolution of Israel" as the "only way to have peace in the Middle East"?

     
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    What would it do to our theology, if Israel discontinued to be a nation?
    Since 1948, preachers have preached that the fact Israel is a nation, a prophecy has been fulfilled...

    What would happen, say in 2012 or so, Israel gets wiped off the map?
    It happened in 70 AD...
     
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  7. Linda64

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    The fact that God made the promise to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 and in Genesis 15:1-21, Israel will never be destroyed or wiped off the map...although the Palestinians desire to see that happen...according to their Charter. Israel isn't even on the maps of the Palestinians, but that should not surprise anyone.

    Not everything God promised Israel has been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled in the future Millennial Kingdom.

    In 70 A.D., the armies of Titus leveled Jerusalem and that's when the Jewish people scattered throughout the known world. That is called the Diaspora. In 1948 a miracle happened--Israel became a state and the Jewish people are returning...in unbelief (the dry bones of Ezekiel 37). Israel will never be destroyed because God made that promise to His people. God is faithful and will keep ALL His promises and covenants.
     
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    By no means does Israel have all the promised land. They are not numbered as the sand of the sea, by any measurement. Christ has not taken the throne of David. Israel is not the privileged nation described in scripture, but are a democracy in an area of unrest, that we must support.
     
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    Israel has been wiped off the map until 1949. What's to say it couldn't happen again, only to be reformed once more at some future time?
     
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    Nothing, that I know of, but I'm too fuzzy on it. I think it was '48' though.
     
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  11. The Scribe

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    Israel became a nation on May 14,1948.

    God promised the land to their descendants after them and forevermore. (Leviticus 25:46, Joshua 14:9 and so on.)



    That's why they lost their land before.

    God also stated in His Word. He would regather them in the Last Days.

    1. "There are cities in today's world which are renowned because of their strategic location, their great size, their climate and natural resources, or their industrial and manufacturing capability and capacity. Jerusalem has none of these advantages to commend it. Yet there is not a city on earth which is better known and more dearly loved by so many people of diverse nationalities and beliefs. And certainly there is no city which is of greater importance to world peace." (Cup of Trembling, Dave Hunt)
    "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." Zechariah 12:2-3 (KJV)
    "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. " Zechariah 12:9 (KJV)
    Everyone wants to have a say in what happens with Jerusalem.
    The Vatican and the World Leaders want it as an "International City."
    The Arabs claim it belongs to them ... But what does GOD say? "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine..." Leviticus 25:23 (KJV)
    This land belongs to God. And we have already shown - from the Bible - to whom God promised this land. In Leviticus 25 God is giving the Jews instruction on the Land that He is giving to them. He wanted them to keep a Sabbath unto the Lord.



    ..:: I s r a e l // God's Timepiece ::..

    Look at the site above for the rest.

    Israel will never fall entirely ever again.
     
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  12. Matt Black

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    Such a phrase has been the birth of many a heresy in just my own lifetime
    Fine, if you want to ignore the Church which Christ established. Sola Scriptura doesn't work - wake up and smell the coffee, people.

    And Curtis, many of us left the Baptist church becuase of the unbiblical doctrine of sola Scriptura
     
    #52 Matt Black, Dec 2, 2007
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    All of that was fulfilled in the Old Testament by at least the reign of Solomon.
     
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    Er...except that Israel was destroyed between 70AD and 15th May 1948. So that just makes your argument fallacious: either God's is unfaithful and doesn't keep His promises, or you interpretation of Biblical prophecy is askew. I know which one my money's on...
     
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    And John refers entirely to the Jews as the bad guys in his Gospel; he even has Jesus referring to them as 'children of Satan' and the diaspora Jews in the Near East as 'the synagogue of Satan' in Revelation. So I guess that makes John and Jesus anti-Semitic? Are you going to tell them that or shall I?
     
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    I believe she means after May 14,1948.

    If something is wiped off the map it will never come back like Israel has.

    If you had read my comment you would have seen this...

    "For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." Jeremiah 30:3 (KJV)

    God is regathering His chosen people and we are in the last days.
     
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    Who are God's chosen people according to the apostle Peter?

    1 Peter 2:9-10 (ESV)
    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. [10] Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
     
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    According to the apostle Peter this has already happened.

    Acts 2:30-36 (ESV)
    Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, [31] he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. [32] This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. [33] Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. [34] For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
    " 'The Lord said to my Lord,
    Sit at my right hand,
    [35] until I make your enemies your footstool.'
    [36] Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."
     
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    Nice try, but the non-existence of Israel between 70 and 1948 entirely negates the interpretation of the Biblical prophecies you are quoting. I'm afraid that that particular elephant is still very much in the middle of the drawing room despite the misinterpretation of Scripture from the corners.

    Perfectly agreed, and already fulfilled under Cyrus the Great in the 530sBC. So the point of that quote from Jeremiah to our current debate is...?
     
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    God casted them out. He's has already brought them back.

    You seem anti-Semitic. Shameful.
     
    #60 The Scribe, Dec 2, 2007
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