End Times - 4 Ways the World calls down wrath

Turns out - the "Land" is not a sort-of-god.

Thus God provides the starting context - saying that HE is actually doing the casting out.

In this case that "casting out" was in the form of God supernaturally enabling the Israelites to defeat even much larger forces - totally wiping out the inhabitants in war.

Not entirely true. God never gave Abraham anything in the land of Canaan and never gave anything to Isaac or to Jacob.

They bought small portions of land to bury their dead etc - but they were nomads in Canaan - never actually had any of it.

Israel entering Canaan by the millions was the first time that God allowed Israel to take the land. It is never called "God's Holy Land" at all - to that point in time.

In fact God tells Abraham he refuses to kick out the Canaanite because their time of probation is not up.

In the text - God lists the sins and states specifically that it is BECAUSE of those sins that he is expelling the nations. (non-Bible aware nations).

God never says "I have a Holy Land - these pagan nations violated my holy land so I have them destroyed - whereas this would all have been just fine had they lived on some other piece of dirt". No such argument is contained in all of scripture.

So Making it up - does not work. :godisgood:

in Christ,

Bob

 

So are you thinking that maybe God made a mistake by not adding to the Lev 18 list "they coveted so I tossed them out of the land - beware lest you covet and then I toss you out of the land as well"?

It is one of the first 5 books of the bible - maybe God was still pretty "new" at the job.



in Christ,

Bob

 

So - God made a "mistake" by referencing those other nations --

24 'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
25 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
26 'But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you
27 (for the men of the land who have been before you have done all these abominations, and the land has become defiled);
28 so that the land will not spew you out, should you defile it, as it has spewed out the nation which has been before you.

29 'For whoever does any of these abominations, those persons who do so shall be cut off from among their people.

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Maybe you should get a petition together and let Him know. :type:

On second thought -- maybe a closer look at what the text says would improve your conclusion.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Surely the Bible students on this section of the board have at least one other suggestion other than simply ignoring the details in the text that speak specifically of the pagan nations that suffered because of their violation of specific sins listed in Lev 18.

I find it hard to believe that a group that is supposed to affirm "sola scriptura testing" wants to go directly against the details found in the text of scripture on this point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Thus this is not a case of "some sins the Holy Land does not like".

There is nothing in Lev 18 about 'the Holy land being defiled by certain sins".

Rather God says "THE MEN OF THAT LAND did all these things" -- well guess what - those men were pagans, so that is not another way to say "holy land".

Furthermore - God tells Abraham that HE cannot have any of that land for over 400 years because "the sin of the Amorite is not yet complete". It has to do with the probationary time for entire nations and how that time is used up.


So we get to pay attention to God's own list - when God says -

God's clear and direct statements there - suggest that we should pay attention to that list.

All of the arguments that suggest that God would judge those pagan nations - ending them -- for doing those sins but will not stop nations on earth today for doing such things - is simply wishful thinking that goes directly against the text of scripture.

in Christ,

Bob

 

God promises He will not give the land to Abraham or Isaac or Jacob... or Joseph or their children ... not for 400 years would Abraham's great great great great grandchildren ever inherit the land!!

Then in Gen 19 God wipes OUT -- Sodom and Gomorrah and the other "cities of the planes" - because they also crossed over the Lev 18 lines -- while living in that "not-Abraham" land.

Hint: He was not wiping them out "to make room for Abraham"

 

Actually the Caananites are in the land "first" then later Abraham is sent over there - to it.

God's clear and direct statements there - suggest that we should pay attention to that list

That is true. Notice the details in Lev 18 - it is exactly how God words the text.

Trying to figure out if God is right to Word it that way - I leave to others.

in Christ,

Bob

 

It is hard to get away from the point in the text - that God himself is the one who comes up with that list - and then concludes by saying

24 'Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
25 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have brought its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.

And when you consider that the "nationS" that lived there before Israel - were all pagan - it is amazing the list that God "sovereignly chooses" to then bring up.

in Christ,

Bob

 

God is the one that made the decision to wipe out those pagan nations - and He is the one that states the reason for it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

My point is that God is the one making this Lev 18 list and that God holds even non-informed non-Bible-aware nations accountable.

God includes things like killing infants (abortion in modern times).

God does not include "failure to Honor parents" or "failure to pay tithe" or "the use of images in worship" etc. All things that are "also sins" but not the lines that cause God to obliterate a nation.

in Christ,

Bob