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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

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    That is what your problem is, all you have to reason with is your head, minus spiritual enlightment.

    Not one person Christ died for comes into mthis world under condemnation and the wrath of God, that is a flat out denial of the Work of Christ, and what it did regarding God's law and Justice for those He died for. God has no reason at all to condemn an unbelieving elect person, none !
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    have ALL sinned, and fallen short of glory of God?

    Are ALL sinners, in enemies towards God by birth?

    Are None Rightousness in and by themselves?

    Unless we belive in jesus as saviour/Lord, have faith in the name of the Son of God, NONE can/will be saved?

    Until the time of salvation, faith placed in Christ, ALL are standing under the condemnation of God towards ALL of us, as ALL are sinners already judged and found guilty before Holy God for breaking His Law?

    Hint, per Bible, YES!
     
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    I believe exactly what you wrote that I put in bold.

    How is that believing heart put in one? By the promise. There is not a promise of God made for man the the man child Jesus the Son of God as the Son of Man does not first inherit. The promises (Plural) were to Abraham and his one seed Christ. Abraham died not having received the promises and to my knowledge still hasn't received the promises.

    Isn't the believing heart put in a man by him being given the promise of the Holy Spirit? Yet Christ said, It was imperative that he go away (die) in order for the Comforter (The Holy Spirit) to come. That is he did not go away the Comforter would not come. For the blessings of Abraham to be given to anyone the seed of Abraham, the Son of Man would first have to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he (God the Father) hath shed forth this, (The Holy Spirit that brings the believing heart) Compare John 16:7 with Acts 2:32,22 and Titus 3:5,6 After the renewing of the Holy Spirit to someone, (I believe to be Jesus Christ) V6 Which (The Holy Spirit) he (God the Father) shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
    Through Jesus Christ means Jesus had received it from the Father therefore it could be shed on us.
    Why did Jesus receive the Holy Spirit? Because he went away, he died. As Phil. 2:8 puts it, Jesus humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross, (Obedience of faith) Gal. 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise (of the Holy Spirit) by faith of Jesus Christ (Jesus going away being obedient unto death -- death even of the cross) might be given to them that believe. (the believing ones, his sheep the elect)

    V23 Before the faith came (Jesus being obedient unto death) under the schoolmaster (the law)
    V25 But after that the faith did come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (the law)

    Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    Grace was, the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit.
    Which The Father shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ.

    Salvation came to man by: Grace through the faith. Gal 3:18,19 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: (The promise to be inherited by the way is: In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; but God gave to Abraham by promise.
    (Abraham and his one seed, Christ. Abraham has not received the promises yet.) Wherefore then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    Titus 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    Jesus inherited by being the firstborn from the dead, by resurrection/regeneration. We heirs shall also inherit by being born again from the dead by resurrection/instantly changed at his appearing or as Jesus put it in; Matt. 19:28 That ye which have followed me in the regeneration, (born from the dead, spiritual, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly) when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
     
  4. savedbymercy

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    Thats work salvation !
     
  5. The Biblicist

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    Paul diagrees with you as he claims that faith is not works but is in direct contrast to works and is by grace instead of works:

    Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
    5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


    QUESTIONS:

    1. What did Abraham do in verse 3
    2. Why is works not of grace in verse 4?
    3. Does Paul contrast works with "believeth" in verse 5?
    4. Isn't believing "without works" in verse 6?

    Hence, what Abraham did in verse 3 was performed "by grace" and not "by works" or else verses 5-6 are complete and utter contradictions.

    Gospel faith is a PASSIVE response as it does nothing but RECEIVES and RESTS upon God and His promise and provisions and that is why it is not "by works" but is all of grace (Rom. 4;16).

    Paul's words "worketh not BUT beleiveth" is your problem as those words deny and condemn your belief that gospel faith is works!

    Either you are wrong or Paul is wrong! I will go with Paul
     
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  6. savedbymercy

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    He most certainly does not, for Paul was inspiried by God to write the word works Eph 2:8-9 and the word means:

    ergon:


    business, employment, that which any one is occupied

    a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

    2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

    3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work.

    I explain in detail here:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1837746#post1837746

    post 23
     
  7. The Biblicist

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    Answer the question and quit perverting context of Rom. 1:16-17! You won't answer the questions becuase they EXPOSE your false intertation of Romans 1:17.

    This is your MO! Whenever you cannot answer objections you ignore the objections, ignore the evidence and indignatly claim you don't need to answer them but everyone else needs to answer your EISGETICAL mental gynastics that consists of JUMPING and PITTING scripture against scripture.
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    believe on the Lord jesus Christ, and you shall be saved!

    Both OT/NT affirm this cardinal truth, that without faith IMPOSSIBLE to please God, nor have established a relationship with Him!
     
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