equal rights?

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  1. timothy 1769

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    while i believe in the equal worth of all believers before god, i most emphatically do not believe in equal rights.

    some men have the right to pastor, most men do not, and all women do not.

    men have the right to lead in marriage, women do not.

    men have the right to teach men and women, women only have the right to teach other women and children.

    but beyond this, i think the whole concept of "rights" is unbiblical and selfish. i have no right to life - but you have an obligation to not murder me. i don't have a right to my property - but you have an obligation to not steal. all this modern talk about rights has led people to a feeling of entitlement - i deserve this, i deserve that. no you don't! the only thing you deserve is to be tossed into hell this very moment! everything you have is an unearned gift from god.

    at least for the christian, personal rights should be a non-issue:

    Matthew 5
    38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

    [ July 07, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: timothy 1969 ]
     
  2. Johnv

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    I believe in the legal equality of rights for both male and female. In other words, legal rights that are not different depending on one's genitals.
     
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    Amen Timothy! We never read about Jesus demanding His rights from certain groups.
    And look where women's demanding of rights has brought us. Not to a very good place, I am afraid. Sad to hear Christians supporting this kind of nonsense.
     
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    He didn't. Jesus didn't demand special rights for "certain" groups. He demanded rights for all people, regardless of group, nationality, race, creed, or gender.
     
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    He didn't. Jesus didn't demand special rights for "certain" groups. He demanded rights for all people, regardless of group, nationality, race, creed, or gender. </font>[/QUOTE]verses please?
     
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    Galatians 3:28

    "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
     
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    Don't confuse rights with calls or privileges. Rights are things that are basic to humanity, like life and fair treatment, etc. The world has distorted this to mean that anyone can do anything anyone else can do. That is not what "equal rights" are. To be a pastor is not a right. It is a call of God. I believe that all people, including women are free to follow the call of God. That is equal rights in biblical terms. But that does not mean that they are called to all the same tasks that men are. Don't get confused by the terminology of the day.
     
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    Thanks, Thankful. Ya beat me to it.

    Now, I'm not saying that men and women should be treated the same, I'm saying that they should be treated equally, and given equal opportunity, especially in the area of legal protection.
     
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    Amen, Pastor Larry. You said that very well. Good Post.
     
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    I agree. I especially believe in equal pay for equal jobs. If a woman cannot do the job, don't hire her. If she is hired she should be getting paid the same wage as the man she is standing next to who is doing the same job she is...
     
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    The problem with modern feminism is that the standards have been lowered because the feminists demanded their rights to be in every job, regardless of whether or not they were qualified.
     
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    Please define "feminism"
    as you used it
    here so that your statement is correct.
    Please note that the definition you
    used in the define feminism topic will
    not work in this statement. :confused:
     
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    A woman, like a man, should get whatever the market will bear. It is a fallacy of equal rights to think that a woman should get equal just because she is a woman. She should get whatever she can.

    The fallacy of women making less for the same job was pointed out a while back by noting the disparity between men and women in the workplace. There is still a lot more men. Think for a moment: If an employer could get equal work/value from a woman for less money, why are there any men employed at all??? If I have two bids, one for 1000 and one for 1200 and both are equal in every way, who in their right mind is going to pay more than they have to??? Whether right or wrong, there is at least the perception that in many cases men and women do not provide equal value in the workplace. Again, don't let "equal rights" become confused with the reality of the workplace.

    Why should a woman be limited to what a man makes?? Why shouldn't she make more if she brings more value??

    I am not against women making the same as men, but it should be based on the same criteria ... not genitals but value to the company.
     
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    Not in MY neck of the woods they haven't! If you are qualified for a job, you will get it. And you'd better be able to DO that job or you will get fired!

    It's tough when a single mother has to work to support her family and she is paid less than the man next to her who may have less children to feed than she does. [​IMG]

    Good post Pastor Larry! That is what I was trying to convey, but you did it so much better! [​IMG]
     
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    You may believe this HCL, but it is not a true statement. I know that standards were not lowered so that women could have jobs. Women had/have to prove that they are qualified for the job/position just as a man does. I know this from experience. I wrote job descriptions and requirements for positions. I was involved in the hiring process.
     
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    Really, that is interesting. I spent eight years in a job that had lowered standards for women thanks to the feminists.
     
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    Different states have different laws. Sometimes, within a state, the law differs from county to county... Weird, but true.
     
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    Was this a good thing?

    Did you have a better job?

    Did you get more or less pay because of this?

    I'm curious because I have heard of this before.

    I do know that qualifications for jobs have changed over the years for many different reasons.

    One example was in our state many years ago, a game warden had to be a certain height. The height requirement was removed, not so a woman could be a game warden, but because shorter men could be game wardens. Women did not become game wardens until many years later.

    You are absolutely correct that requirements and standards have changed over the years. The changes usually are to the benefit of all not just one group.
     
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