Erasmus

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Anybody got a quick synopsis on this guy ? It is my understanding that he wanted to reform the Catholic church from the inside, as opposed to how Luther handled it. It is also my understanding that he died with protestants around him, seeming to tell me he left the church. I don't know a whole lot about him, and my research time is limited, and any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. MEE

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    Try this and see if it helps! [​IMG]

    http://www.ciger.be/erasmus/philo.html

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    Thanx, Mee. But I'm very dissapointed none of our Catholic friends want to discuss him.
     
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    Well it was only an hour and a half since you posted your question, and it is Saturday! I looked at that link and saw, as relates to the Church: (a) the Church shouldn't be governed as a State -- OK, the Papal lands and armies are long gone, (b) tolerance and humaneness -- OK, the Church is certainly more tolerant and humane than it was, without, however, abandoning its truths, (c) the defense of elegance and purity of Latin -- OK, that would be the Church [​IMG]

    Note also from that site: "himself remained a sincere and strong defender of the Roman catholic church." Sounds like he would have approved of the direction the Church has taken!

    Later on I'll see what Britannica and the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church say about him.

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    Who knows? Maybe they just weren't interested. :(

    Bro. Curtis, since this post is being ignored and you used to be a Catholic, may I ask you a question?

    Do you know of a Cardinal that is Jewish, that is supposed to be next in line to be the Pope or that is what the Pope desires? I've read about him and I knew his name, but have forgotten it. If I was to hear it, I would remember.

    Have any idea?

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    Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger of Paris.

    BIOGRAPHY

    Curtis, what is your interest in Erasmus? He's a pivotal figure, but one very difficult to talk about in a few sentences.
     
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    Bro. Curtis,

    I'd be happy to discuss Erasmus with you if I felt like I really knew much about him other than the basics. But, since I don't, all I can offer you is this link to an article in the Encarta online encyclopedia. (Their opinion is that he remained a Catholic, although he hung out with the "Reformers.")
    Encarta article

    Mee, I think you're thinking of Cardinal Lustiger, who is the archbishop of Paris. Obviously, he's not "Jewish" anymore -- he's been a Catholic Christian for over 50 years. But he did have a Jewish heritage and upbringing.

    As to who the next Pope will be, it's anybody's guess. John Paul II has not expressed a preference, although reporters love to try to guess what he's thinking (based on things like who gets what job, etc.). Cardinal Lustiger's name used to get mentioned fairly often a few years ago, but at age 76 he might be considered too old now -- not to mention how many more years may pass before there's any need for an election. (Many years, I hope). But anything's possible.

    God bless,

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  8. MEE

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    Thanks Mark! BTW, how old is the Pope?

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    Well it was only an hour and a half since you posted your question, and it is Saturday! Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Mike, if you will look back, you will see that it was three days before any Catholic answered Bro. Curtis' question. ;)

    He posted on the twenty third and you answered on the twenty sixth.

    Bro. Curtis, sorry I got off your topic. :(

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    Well it was only an hour and a half since you posted your question, and it is Saturday! Mike </font>[/QUOTE]Mike, if you will look back, you will see that it was three days before any Catholic answered Bro. Curtis' question. ;)

    He posted on the twenty third and you answered on the twenty sixth.

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    </font>[/QUOTE]Well, sure enough! Wonder how it was that I only noticed it this morning? OK, I've learned a good lesson -- all of those little numbers in a timestamp mean something! :D

    Anyway, I sure don't see anything about Erasmus that would cause us Catholics to run for the tall grass.

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    Here is an interesting link to the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia to the guy I think you are referring to:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05510b.htm

    God bless,

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    Almighty and eternal God, you gather
    the scattered sheep

    and watch over those
    you have gathered.

    Look kindly on all who follow Jesus,
    your Son.

    You have marked them
    with the seal of one baptism,
    now make them one
    in the fullness of faith
    and unite them in the bond of love.

    We ask this through Christ our Lord.

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    Hi Mee,

    Pope John Paul II is 82 -- he'll turn 83 (God willing) next month.

    (He was 58 when he was elected, back in 1978.)

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    Thanks Mark! I was asking my husband if he remembered the Pope's age when he was elected. I told him I thought he was in his 50's.

    It's hard to believe it's been that long.

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    Ah, Erasmus, the godfather of both the Reformation and Christian humanism (long before humanism came to be associated with secularism). If you want an example of Erasmus' heritage, a better one is the CofE, rather than the RCC. Indeed the Elizabethan Settlement has often been thought of as thoroughgoingly (is that a word?) Erastian in character.

    Yours in Christ

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