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    The ESV is about a dozen years newer than the NRSV,but it shows a bit more care in updating the language of the RSV.

    ESV=E
    NRSV=N

    1 Corinthians

    3:21
    E : let no one boast in men
    N : let no one boast about human leaders
    [NET : no more boasting about mere mortals.]

    4:8
    E : would that you did reign
    N : I wish you had become kings [same as NET]

    6:11
    E : And such were some of you
    N : And this is what some of you used to be

    7:25
    E : the betrothed
    N : virgins [Greek:virgins]

    7:28
    E : will have worldly troubles
    N : will experience distress in this life

    7:37
    E : whoever is firmly established
    N : stands firm in his resolve
    [NET: firm in his commitment]

    8:2
    E : If anyone imagines that he knows something,he does not yet know as he ought to know
    N : Anyone who claims to know something does not yet have the necessary knowledge

    8:8
    E : Food will not commend us to God
    N : Food will not bring us close to God [same as NET]

    10:12
    E : Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall
    N : So if you think you are standing,watch out that you do not fall

    10:26
    E : the fullness thereof
    N : its fullness
    [We don't need to use the word "thereof" any longer. Later in the 17th century the word "its" became very useful.]

    11:18
    E : I believe it in part
    N : to some extent I believe it

    11:27
    E : will be guilty of profaning
    N : will be answerable

    13:3
    E : if I deliver up my body to be burned
    N : if I hand over my body so that I may boast
    [According to the NET notes the Byzantine reading is impossible --it wasn't in the Koine Greek]



    14:14
    E : my mind is unfruitful
    N : my mind is unproductive [Same as the NET translation.]

    15:34
    E : Wake up from your drunken stupor
    N : Come to a sober and right mind

    15:58
    E : always abounding
    N : always excelling

    16:2
    E : store it up as he may prosper
    N : save whatever extra you earn

    16:13
    E : act like men,be strong
    N : be courageous,be strong
    [NET: show courage,be strong]
     
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    2 Corinthians

    1:8
    E : For we do not want you to be ignorant brothers
    N : For we do not want you to be unaware,brothers and sisters

    1:14
    E : just as you did partially acknowledge us
    N : as you have already understood us in part

    2:13
    E : I took leave of them
    N : I said farewell to them

    3:14
    E : that same veil remains unlifted
    N : that same veil is still there

    5:6
    E : So we are always of good courage
    N : So we are always confident

    5:17
    E : behold,the new has come
    N : see,everything has become new!

    9:1
    E : it is superfluous
    N : it is not necessary

    11:2
    E : for I promised you in marriage to one husband
    N : for I betrothed you to one husband
     
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    Galatians

    1:11
    E : For I would have you know
    N : For I want you to know

    1:14
    E : so extremely zealous was I
    N : for I was far more zealous

    2:2
    E : I went up because of a revelation
    N : I went up in response to a revelation

    2:5
    E : to them we did not yield in submission
    N : we did not submit to them
     
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    Ephesians

    6:27
    E : with all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with love uncorruptible
    N : with all who have an undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ

    Philippians

    2:6
    E : did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped
    N : did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited

    4:5
    E : Let your reasonableness be known to everyone
    N : Let your gentleness be known to everyone
     
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    Colossians

    1:28
    E : Him we proclaim
    N : It is he whom we proclaim

    3:22
    E : obey in everything those who are your earthly masters,not by way of eye-service
    N : obey your earhly masters in everything not only while being watched

    4:2
    E : Continue steadfastly in prayer
    N : Devote yourselves to prayer

    4:13
    E : I bear him witness
    N : I testify for him
     
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    1 Thessalonians

    2:2
    E : in the midst of much conflict
    N : in spite of great opposition

    2:8
    E : So,being affectionately desirous of you
    N : So deeply do we care for you

    2 Thessalonians

    3:3
    E : he will establish you
    N : he will strengthen you

    1 Timothy

    1:9
    E : those who strike their fathers and mothers
    N : those who kill their fathers or mothers
    [Both are bad,but mere striking,or hitting is not what it means.Murder is being spoken of.]

    1:13
    E : insolent opponent
    N : a man of violence
    [ Insolence is too weak. And did you notice that the NRSV uses the word "man",not an inclusive word like "opponent."?]

    1:18
    E : wage the good warfare
    N : fight the good fight
    [ In verse 12 of the same chapter the ESV has "fight the good fight."]

    2:9
    E : should adorn themselves in respectable apparel,with modesty and self-control
    N : should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing

    5:22
    E : Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands
    N : Do not ordain anyone hastily

    6:10
    E : pireced themselves with many pangs
    N : pireced themselves with many pains

    6:14
    E : unstained and free from reproach
    N : without spot or blame

    6:20
    E : guard the deposit entrusted to you
    N : guard what has been entrusted to you

    2 Timothy

    2:16
    E : irreverent babble
    N : profane chatter

    3:2
    E : lovers of self
    N : lovers of themselves

    3:6
    E : capture weak women
    N : captivate silly women
    [Be honest,"capture weak women" sends the wrong message -- doesn't it?]

    4:8
    E : Henceforth
    N : From now on
    [who says "henceforth" these days?]
     
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    Titus

    1:8
    E : a lover of good
    N : a lover of goodness

    Philemon

    v.15
    E : he was parted from you
    N : he was separated from you

    Hebrews

    1:5
    E : I will be to him a Father,and he shall be to me a son
    N : I will be his Father,and he will be my Son

    2:4
    E : God also bore witness
    N : God added to his testimony

    James

    1:27
    E : before God and the Father is this:to visit orphans
    N : before God, the Father,is this: to care for orphans
    [Two problems with the ESV rendering:It looks like God and Father are divided,and to visit orphans is weak -- looking after or caring for are more accurate.]

    4:9
    E : Be wretched
    N : Lament

    5:8
    E : establish your hearts
    N : strengthen your hearts
     
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    1 & 2 Peter And 1 John

    1 Peter

    1:6
    E : though now for a little while,as was necessary,you have been grieved by various trials
    N : even if now for a little while you have had to suffer various trials

    1:7
    E : at the revelation of Jesus Christ
    N : when Jesus Christ is revealed

    4:3
    E : The time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do
    N : You have already spent enough time in doing what the Gentiles like to do

    4:16
    E : glorify God in that name
    N : glorify God because you bear this name

    4:18
    E : If the righteous is scarcely saved
    N : If it is hard for the righteous to be saved
    [The ESV has poor grammar here.]

    2 Peter

    1:18
    E : heard this very voice borne from heaven
    N : heard this voice come from heaven
    [Who uses the word "borne" these days? Maybe I should google that.]

    3:11
    E : Since all these things are thus to be dissolved
    N : Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way

    1 John

    2:27
    E : you have no need that anyone should teach you
    N : you do not need anyone to teach you

    2:28
    E : not shrink from him in shame
    N : not be put to shame

    3:2
    E : what we will be has not yet appeared
    N : what we will be has not yet been revealed

    3:3
    E : And everyone who thus hopes in him
    N : And all who have this hope in him

    4:9
    E : In this the love of God was manifest among us
    N : God's love was revealed among us in this way

    5:10
    E : the testimony that God has borne
    N : the testimony that God has given
     
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    Revelation

    3:15
    E : Would that you were either cold or hot!
    N : I wish that you were either cold or hot.

    5:5
    E : Weep no more
    N : Do not weep.

    6:9
    E : the witness they they had borne
    N : the testimony they had given

    11:10
    E : will rejoice over them and make merry
    N : will gloat over them and celebrate
    [The word "gloat" is a far better word choice than "rejoice"."Make merry" is not an example of up-to-date language which ESV blurbs advertise.Perhaps it is considered lofty"literary English" which Ryken "waxes on" about so often.]

    13:7
    E : and authority was given it
    N : It was given authority

    14:15
    E : Put in your sickle and reap
    N : Use your sickle and reap

    17:7
    E : Why do you marvel?
    N : Why are you so amazed?

    18:4
    E : lest you
    N : so that you

    18:13
    E : human souls
    N : human lives

    22:5
    E : night will be no more
    N : there will be no more night

    22:12
    E : bringing recompense with me
    N : my reward is with me
     
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    I think this may be a good time to revive this thread since a similar one is current.
     
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    I made a correction of my opening post.
     
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    I pick the NRSV every time.
     
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    Mark 4:3

    Here is "an improvement" that may be of interest.

    Older ESV : Listen! A sower went out to sow.
    New ESV : Listen! Behold,a sower went out to sow.

    The revised ESV is just following the KJV,NASB etc. Is the redundancy necessary?
     
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    A new thread deals with this subject. So I think this older thread might be helpful.
     
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    So you would place the NRSV between the Niv and the Esv in how it renders phrasings then?
     
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    2011 NIV : no more boasting about human leaders!
    2011 NIV :You have begun to reign
    2011 NIV :And that is what some of you were.
    2011 NIv : virgins
    2011 NIV : will face many troubles in this life
    2011 NIV : settled the matter in his own mind
    2011 NIV : Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know.
    2011 NIV : But food does not bring us near to God
    So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
    2011 NIV : and everything in it
    The 2011 NIV has the same rendering as the NRSV here.
    2011 NIV : will be guilty of sinning
    2011 NIV : give my body over to hardship


    2011 NIV : same rendering as the ESV.
    2011 NIV : Come back to your senses
    2011 NIV : give yourselves fully
    2011 NIV : set aside...in keeping with your income
    2011 NIV has the same rendering here as the NRSV.
     
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    2011 NIV : We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters
    2011 NIV : as you have understood us in part
    2011 NIV : So I said goodbye to them
    2011 NIV : the same veil remains
    2011 NIV : Therefore we are always confident
    2011 NIV : the new creation has come
    2011 NIV : There is no need
    2011 NIV : I promised you to one husband
     
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    Post 17 deals with second Corinthians.
     
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    Galatians

    2011 NIV : I want you to know
    2011 NIV : I was...extremely zealous
    2011 NIV : I went in response to a revelation
    2011 NIV : We did not give in to them
     
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    2011 NIV : with an undying love [NET has the same rerading]

    2011 NIV : did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage
    2011 NIV : Let your gentleness be evident to all.
     

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