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  1. Rippon

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    Aw, you knew this was coming -- didn't you? On another thread I have compared the ESV with NIRV renderings. Here I will compare the ESV with TNIV. (May I share a secret? I kinda' favor TNIV.)

    Isaiah

    10:1
    ESV : those who decree iniquitous decrees
    TNIV : those who make unjust laws

    10:7
    ESV : to cut off nations not a few
    TNIV : to put an end to many nations

    13:7
    ESV : every human heart will melt
    TNIV : every man's heart will melt
    [What? The TNIV caught the celebrated male nuance and the ESV missed this? Sarcasm off.]

    19:17
    ESV : will fear because of the purpose that the Lord of hosts has purposed against them
    TNIV : will be terrified, because of what the Lord Almighty is planning against them

    20:2
    ESV : loose the sackcloth
    TNIV : Take off the sackcloth

    27:4
    ESV : Would that I had thorns and briers to battle!
    TNIV : If only there were briers and thorns confronting me!

    35:4
    ESV : with the recompense of God
    TNIV : with divine retribution

    41:24
    ESV :an abomination is he who chooses you
    TNIV : those who choose you are detestable

    45:10
    ESV : With what are you in labor?
    TNIV : What have you brought to birth?

    48:1
    ESV : but not in truth and right
    TNIV : but not in truth and righteousness

    51:3
    ESV : he comforts all her waste places
    TNIV : will look with compassion on all her ruins

    52:7
    ESV : who publishes salvation
    TNIV : who proclaim salvation
     
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    I'm completely with you. I'm not out to bash the ESV - it is helpful in some ways - but the TNIV is completely readable and lucid. Being familiar with the work of the committee and having used it personally for several years, I find it to be the most helpful of all modern translations.

    Unfortunately, politics seems to have won out in this case and, because of some alarmists in the neo-reformed camp, it's going to be out of here before long.

    But I've bought a number of copies for personal use and gifts.
     
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    I completely agree with you.

    I have done the same.

    I am looking forward to the 2011 NIV. But still, in some places I may still prefer the TNIV rendering.

    By the way, TNIV committee just completed three weeks of revision work in Whistler Canada.
     
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    During master's theological work, I sat under one of the NT translators and a project coordinator. His scholarship and expertise were amazing. Critics of the text were, sadly, misinformed and in many cases, as was such with J.I. Packer, misquoted and misconstrued.

    I also am looking forward to the new NIV, but will still probably carry my TNIV.
     
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    I think the release of the NIV 2011 is going to be a watershed moment in evangelicalism, and I can't wait. I'm holding off on pew Bible recommendations until then. A lot of us have high hopes that the mistakes of the NIV/TNIV and that improvements over the NET/ESV/NASB/HCSB can be offered. Maybe that's wishing too much.
     
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    I agree for the most part with this post of yours.
     
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    Deuteronomy

    1:28
    ESV : fortified up to heaven
    TNIV : with walls up to the sky

    1:39
    ESV : would become a prey
    TNIV : would be taken captive

    3:10
    ESV : all the cities of the tableland
    All the towns on the plateau

    9:27
    ESV : Do not regard the stubbornness
    TNIV : Overlook the stubbornness

    13:10
    ESV : You shall stone him to death with stones
    TNIV : Stone them to death.

    19:13,21
    ESV : Your eye shall not pity him
    TNIV : show no pity

    20:7
    ESV : who has betrothed a wife and has not taken her
    TNIV : Has anyone become pledged to a woman and not married her?

    20:8
    ESV : lest he make the heart of his fellows melt like his own
    TNIV : so that the others will not become disheartened too

    23:23
    ESV : You shall be careful to do what has passed your lips
    TNIV : Whatever your lips utter you must be sure to do

    24:6
    ESV : for that would be taking a life in pledge
    TNIV : because that would be taking a person's livelihood as security

    24:12
    ESV : you shall not sleep in his pledge
    TNIV : do not go to sleep with that pledge in your possession

    24:13
    ESV : And it shall be righteousness for you
    TNIV : it will be regarded as a righteous act

    25:18
    ESV : cut off your tail
    TNIV : attacked all who were lagging behind
     
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    Deut. Continued

    26:15
    ESV : your holy habitation
    TNIV : your holy dwelling place

    28:21
    ESV : until he has consumed you off the land
    TNIV : until he has destroyed you from the land

    28:50
    ESV : a hard-faced nation
    TNIV : a fierce-looking nation

    28:65
    ESV : a languishing soul
    TNIV : a despairing heart

    31:2
    ESV : I am no longer able to go out and come in
    TNIV : I am no longer able to lead you

    31:20
    ESV : they have eaten and are grown fat
    TNIV : eat their fill and thrive

    32:28
    ESV : void of counsel
    TNIV : without sense

    32:25
    ESV : Vengeance is mine, and recompense
    TNIV : It is mine to avenge;I will repay

    32:43
    ESV : cleanses his people's land
    TNIV : make atonement for his land and people

    32:47
    ESV : it is no empty word for you
    TNIV : They are not just idle words for you

    33:7
    ESV : With your hands contend for him
    TNIV : With his own hands he defends his cause

    33:11
    ESV : his substance
    TNIV : all his skills

    33:20
    ESV : Blessed be he
    TNIV : Blessed is he

    33:29
    ESV : shall come fawning to you
    TNIV : will cower before you
     
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    Hebrews

    1:8
    ESV : the scepter of uprightness
    TNIV : a scepter of justice
    [BTW,The NJB,REB,HCSB,GW and NLT also agree with the TNIV wording.]

    3:1
    ESV : consider Jesus
    TNIV : fix your thoughts on Jesus

    5:5
    ESV : this day I have begotten you
    TNIV : today I have become your Father

    5:7
    ESV : In the days of his flesh
    TNIV : During the days of Jesus' life on earth

    5:11
    ESV : you have become dull of hearing
    TNIV : you no longer try to understand

    5:13
    ESV : the word of righteousness
    TNIV : the teaching about righteousness

    6:6
    ESV : holding him up to contempt
    TNIV : subjecting him to public disgrace

    7:2
    ESV : and to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything
    TNIV : Abraham gave him a tenth of everything

    7:25
    ESV : Consquently, he is able to save to the uttermost
    TNIV : Therefore he is able to save completely

    9:13
    ESV : defiled persons
    TNIV : those who are cermonially unclean

    9:22
    ESV : there is no forgiveness of sins
    TNIV : there is no forgiveness

    9:27
    ESV : it is appointed for man to die once
    TNIV : people are destined to die once
     
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    Continuing In Hebrews

    9:28
    ESV : offered once
    TNIV : sacrificed once

    10:18
    ESV : there is no longer any offering for sin
    TNIV : sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary

    10:23
    esv : the confession of our hope
    TNIV : the hope of our confession

    10:24
    ESV : how to stir up one another
    TNIV : how we may spur one another on

    10:25
    ESV : as is the habit of some
    TNIV : as some are in the habit of doing

    10:27
    ESV : the adversaries
    TNIV : the enemies of God

    10:28
    ESV : Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses
    TNIV : Anyone who rejected the law of Moses

    10:29
    ESV : spurned the Son of God
    TNIV : trampled the Son of God underfoot

    10:29
    ESV : outraged the Spirit of grace
    TNIV : insulted the Spirit of grace

    10:33
    ESV : being partners with those so treated
    TNIV : you stood side by side with those who were so treated

    10:34
    ESV : had a better possession and an abiding one
    TNIV : had better and lasting possessions

    10:39
    ESV : but of those who have faith and preserve their souls
    TNIV : but of those who believe and are saved
     
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    Concluding Hebrews

    11:14
    ESV : For people who speak thus
    TNIV : People who say such things

    11:17
    ESV : only son
    TNIV : one and only son

    11:23
    ESV : the child was beautiful
    TNIV : he was no ordinary child

    11:34
    ESV : put foreign armies to flight
    TNIV : routed foreign armies

    12:11
    ESV : the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those trained by it
    TNIV : a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it

    12:12
    ESV : lift your drooping hands
    TNIV : strengthen your feeble arms

    12:13
    ESV : so that which is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed
    TNIV : so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed

    12:15
    ESV : no one fails to obtain the grace of God
    TNIV : no one falls short of the grace of God

    12:17
    ESV : for he found no chance to repent
    TNIV : he could not change what he had done

    12:22
    ESV : to innumerable angels in festive gathering
    TNIV :to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly



    12:27
    ESV : the removal of things that are shaken
    TNIV : the removing of what can be shaken

    13:1
    ESV : entertained angels unawares [Hillbilly-talk]
    TNIV : have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it

    13:23
    ESV : with whom I shall see you if he comes soon [Awkward, thy name is ESV.]
    TNIV : If he arrives soon, I will come with him to see you.
     

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