Eternal Sanctification !

You have simply proven what I said. All the texts you have given refer to God's eternal purpose/design.

 

You have proven no such thing! You asserted the actual SEMINAL EXISTENCE of the elect in regard to actual SPIRITUAL UNION and therefore if Christ has objective substantive existence as a Spirit before the world began you are ASSERTING that so do all the elect!

The ONLY thing the scriptures assert is their existence in the form of DIVINE DETERMINATION - Purpose - Plan - IDEA but absolutely no existence in any other form!

 

Give scripture that declares actual spiritual existence within the actual spiritual loins of Christ before the world began and I will concede.

It is a no-brainer that Christ had actual spiritual existence before the world began because He is God and is not restrained to the confines of creation and time.

You cannot out of one side of your mouth claim the actual spiritual existence of Jesus Christ before the world began and out of the other side of your mouth claim actual existence of SPIRITUAL UNION with Christ without teaching polytheism as the very nature of SPIRITUAL UNION with an eternal Being before creation is the assertion of equal deity.

Furthermore, the scriptures claim we are "CREATED in Christ Jesus" in regard to spiritual union rather than ETERNAL SPIRITUAL UNION.

 

Yes, "IN HIM WAS LIFE" but the elect are "even as others" (Eph. 2:3) so that we are "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:28) and thus SEPARATED from Christ in regard to our actual person and actual existence and only brought into living union by the creative act of God called the new birth (Eph. 2:10).

We were "chosen in him before the foundation of the world" according to God's divine purpose but do you know the difference between "purpose" and reality?

Do you know the difference between a blue print of a house and the house? The blue print is the PLAN that PRECEDES the actual reality, actual existence of the house. However, the house is "IN" the blueprint as a CONCEPT not "IN" it in any real actual existence.

We were chosen "in him before the foundation of the world" in regard to God's BLUE PRINT not "IN" him in regard to any actual existence or reality. We were also "glorified" IN him before the world began but not in regard to any ACTUAL glorification or actual existing glorification in regard to our own person.

This is so simple and so easy to see if one has eyes to see. What you are teaching is utter nonsense and requires you to deposit your brain at the door before you even enter into this conversation. You cannot distinguish between a blue print of the elect and the actual existence of the elect or the blue print of salvation and actual salvation. You want the blue print to be equal to some kind of real actual existence when it is clearly not the case. A PLAN is something not existent that you have intent to bring into existence and that is all that God had before time and space. However, since He is God and since nothing can prevent him from carrying out His plan then what he planned is AS good as done BUT that does not mean it was done before the world began only that it is SURE to be done.

 

The term "seed" is used in scripture to mean OFFSPRING and OFFSPRING come by birth. We are the "seed" of Adam by birth and we are the "seed" of Christ by birth. Prior to new birth we were spiritually DEAD. We had no SPIRITUAL life prior to spiritual birth.

There was no Christ before the incarnation only the preexistent word of God but our life is found "in Christ." We did not share in the LIFE of the preexistent Word of God as that is only shared by the Trinity and that is the LIFE of God.

Isaiah 53 is merely speaking of those "seed" that originate by new birth - that is all.

You are teaching polytheism and that is heretical.

 

You cannot take a PHYSICAL reality and apply it to the preexistent SPIRIT Being God the Son. He has no reproductive capability, no loins, no wife, no sexual union in eternity. There is no "Christ" in eternity before the world began. Christ is the INCARNATION in time and space and before time and space there was no "Christ" but only the preincarnate "Word" of God. Hence there was no eternal "Christ" to be in spiritual union with EXCEPT conceptionally in the mind of God, in the purpose of God. Hence, to be "in Christ" before world began simply means that God purposed that some would be chosen to be represented by the Person and work of Christ in regard to the doctine of SUBSTITUTION where by we stand POSITIONALLY "in" his place and he "in" our place.

 

You have no scripture that explicitly states that before the world began Christ acutally existed (except by purpose) much less that any seed actually existed in that Christ.

You are INTERPRETING texts to teach that when they DO NOT SAY THAT verbatim and when multitude of texts contradict and thus forbid such an interpretation of those texts in that manner.

 

Like all your proof texting this is a superficial text as it does not support your position at all. Paul is here referring to the risen Jesus Christ as God/man rather than the preexistent "Word" who became incarnated as Jesus Christ from Nazereth (Jh. 1:1-18). The Jesus Christ NOW in heaven at the right hand of God is the "Word" which created all things (Jn. 1:1-3) but Paul is not saying by this text that the INCARNATE Jesus Christ - the man from Bethlehem preexisted creation. Again your interpretation or in this case implication of a text is contrary to the whole of scriptural context.

 

Did you even read what I said? Did you even understand what I said? Apparently not! The context is POST-incarnation. The Jesus Christ now in heaven when Paul penned these words is God/man and thus Paul is speaking of him according to his PRESENT state as both God and man. However, he is not implying that the MAN Jesus Christ preexisted creation or the incarnation for that fact or that the MAN Jesus Christ was the creator of the Universe. John explicitly tells you that is not the case in John 1:1-18.

So the clear teaching here is not what you PRESUME it to be but as usual it is taking one text and pitting it against other texts. The MAN Jesus Christ did not preexist the incarnation at Bethlehem.