Eternal Security of the Believer !

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    That True Believers can loose their Salvation is one of the most God and Christ dishonoring doctrines that a man can utter ! Its nothing less than taking a shot at and discrediting the very Power of God [Blasphemy] which is keeping the Believer through Faith unto that Salvation that is ready to be revealed 1 Pet 1:5

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    4To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    5Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    Now I am not referring to every false believer, but to all those believers in Christ who hath been begotten again unto a lively hope [Faith] by [not their freewill] the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

    These have been begotten again ! Now this word begotten ins the greek word anagennao:

    to produce again, be born again, born anew

    metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

    It is those who have been produced again, born anew. It also means to have been given one a Change of Mind, which is Repentance. The greek word used for Repentance is metanoia and means:

    a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

    So we can now see from scripture that a Change of Mind, Repentance is an effect of having been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, it cannot be made any plainer.

    The word for begotten again is also translated born again in 1 Pet 1:23

    23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Now these born again ones are being kept by the power of God through Faith ! And for what purpose are they being kept ? Unto Salvation ready to be revealed.
     
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    Kept by the Power of God through Faith !

    Many who would pervert this text of scripture, attempt to make mans faith the cause of being kept, and so once a man looses faith, he is no longer kept ! What high handed mutiny against the Power of God !

    Peter plainly sets forth that those born again are Kept by the Power of God through Faith, that is Faith is a product of the Power of God and it is being sustained by the Power of God. This is the same power by which one believes in the First place. The word power is the greek word dynamis and means:

    strength power, ability

    a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth

    b) power for performing miracles

    c) moral power and excellence of soul

    d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth

    e) power and resources arising from numbers

    f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

    Now we are speaking of Almighty God's Strength, Power and Ability here.

    Now the same word Paul uses when saying that we believe according to the working of His Power, Eph 1:19

    19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

    So believing is a result of God's Strength being exerted, His Power. So the believer is kept a believer, no fear of apostasy, by the very Power of God.

    Thats why it was written centuries before regarding the Blessings of the New Covenant Jer 32:40

    And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

    You see that is what a believer is, a recipient of the New Covenant Blessings conferred upon them as a result of the Death of Christ.

    That Power of God keeps the Believer in Faith. The preposition dia also means with or in !

    So the phrase could read 1Pet 1:5

    5Who are kept by the power of God in or with faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    The believer is kept by the power of God in Faith !

    God's Power keeps them in the Place of Faith or God's Power Keeps them with a supply of Faith.

    The Point being, The cause of being kept through Faith is God's Power ! And the Faith is not the cause of being kept by God's Power as those who wrest God's word would tell us.
     
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    Lose the rhetoric.
    Your quite right in one respect. My salvation will never be loosened. Jesus fixed it just right so that it doesn't fall apart. It will never be lost either.
     
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    A true man of God does not play word games but is clear and honest with what he does and does not believe.

    I ask you straight forwardly, do you believe that salvation is contingent upon repudiating the "DOCTRINE" of free willism? Can a person be saved but confused or misled into embracing that doctrine? Or do you believe it is impossible for truly saved person to embrace the "doctrine" of free willism at any time?

    Please give me simple yes or no answers. Don't give me scriptures subject to your interpretations or someone elses interpretations and thus play a guessing game! Your credibility stands in question by how you answer these questions.


     
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    dw:

    This Thread or any thread I begin is not about me. They are not about you or anyone in particular. Please stick to the thread subject. This Thread is The Eternal Security of the Believer, and I have presented my view on why I believe it to be True from scripture.
     
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    I showed earlier that the ones being kept by the Power of God through Faith in 1 Pet 1:5 are the same ones that had been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    I shared that this same word begotten is also used in this same chapter of 1 Pet in vs 23

    23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    This New Person has been born out of incorruptible seed, the word of God. This is the Person who believes in Christ, and this person,born of incorruptible seed, The Logos of God. This Person cannot sin according to John. 1 Jn 3:9

    9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    Now John says He that is born of God doth not commit sin ! This being born is the same word used in 1 Pet 1:3, 23 and here in 1 Jn 3:9 its in the perfect tense, meaning having once and for all in the past been born of God, never to be repeated again and its efficacy is into the present. This birth cannot terminate, for it's of an incorruptible seed that cannot die.

    Also 1 Jn 5:18

    We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    Its the same word born, begotten. The born again one Keepteth Himself as well. He sinneth not, nor does the wicked one toucheth him.

    As stated in 1 Jn 3:9, God's seed remains in the born again one and so he cannot sin. He can never be lost.

    Remember,the one being said that cannot loose their salvation has been born out of incorruptible seed. Thats saying a Good Tree cannot bring forth corrupt fruit Matt 7:

    17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
     
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    No it is not! YOU are the one selecting the scriptures for this thread and therefore this thread is about what YOU believe and about what YOU want others to believe is the truth. YOU make the scripture selections on this thread not God or anyone else!

    You will not address this question on the thread entitled "Free willism the religion of the man of sin." You are not honest enough to answer the question straightforward and so I can only take from such a response you are guilty as charged. You do believe that all who embrace the DOCTRINE of free willism are all lost persons and that no saved person can embrace that DOCTRINE and therefore repudiation of this DOCTRINE is essential to salvation according to YOUR position.

    If this is not the case then why don't you respond on the thread dedicated to this very question? You don't respond there and you don't respond here! Something stinks when a man won't respond even on a thread dedicated to the very topic to free willism!!!!!!!!!

    True men of God are honest about what they believe and don't dodge, hide, or play games.
     
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    This is a debate forum. A debate is where one or more persons engage in a topic. It is not one person presenting their side with no other side permitted. If this attitude continues the thread will be quickly shut down. You must interact with others on the forum. You must be able to defend your position as it is questioned.
     
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    I know exactly what a debate is, and it has nothing to do with people personally. Here is the definition of a debate as I know it:

    a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints.

    Now I have given my viewpoint, you can oppose it if you like, that constitutes the debate, merely discussing the VIEW POINTS.

    I have started the defense of my viewpoint with scripture I deem appropriate. You have a right to challenge that and give reason why with your view why supported by scripture, but it should remain concentrated on the View, not the ones giving the view. Now if you have a view that opposes what my view is, present it, I will look at it and then comment on it, but please don't make the comments about me personally and asking personal questions about me, lets keep it focused on the View !
     
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    You have not clarified your position at all! You simply quote scriptures ASSUMING that everyone interprets them as you do! In any debate clarifications and definitions must precede or there can be no intelligable debate because we have no idea what you mean or how you are applying such texts. Your refusal to answer simple questions of clarifications tell us you are trying to be deceptive and not forthright.
     
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    dw:

    Well until you can come up with a answer to my view here in this thread on Eternal Security, then you will not hear from again.
     
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    1 Cor 2:5 collaborates 1 Pet 1:5

    That Power of God keeps the Believer in Faith. The preposition dia also means with or in !

    So the phrase could read 1Pet 1:5

    5Who are kept by the power of God in or with faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    The believer is kept by the power of God in Faith !

    God's Power keeps them in the Place of Faith or God's Power Keeps them with a supply of Faith.

    The Point being, The cause of being kept through Faith is God's Power !

    God's Power which is the Holy Ghost, produces the Faith. This is seen also in 1 Cor 2:5,4

    5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

    So Faith is produced [fruit] in the Heart by the Power of thew Holy Spirit !

    Paul depended upon the Power of the Holy Spirit to make the Gospel message clear to them vs 4

    And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

    So Faith resulted as a by product of the Spirit's Power in them.

    So Faith in Christ and the Doctrines of His Gospel does not depend on persuasive speech and mens ability, but upon the Power of God.

    Remember how Paul warned the gentiles to not become High Minded, because they stand by Faith ? Rom 11:20

    Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

    That statement there should warn us that Faith is not of ourselves, but something God produces in us, so why be High Minded about it, as if it is something we do of ourselves ? Its of the Power of God. Paul goes on to say that standing is by God's ability Rom 14:4

    4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    Thats right, God is able to make us stand by Faith as in Rom 11:20

    And, So the saved are kept by the Power of God through Faith. Faith stands because of God's ability or Power !

    I don't think it can be made more clearer That God's Power[The Holy Spirit] keeps the believer in Faith...

    BTW, those of us who believe we stand by Faith and that Faith is of ourselves, then we are guilty of being High Minded, that which paul warned the gentile believers of in Rom 11:20, That word Highminded means to be proud !
     
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    And so? Does that answer the question asked of you? This debate cannot continue unless relevant questions are answered. The first one was this.
    Now please answer.
     
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    I am sorry, those questions in my opinion are off subject and have nothing to do with what is being presented on the Eternal Security of the Believer.
     
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