On another Thread Dustin Shared Dustin kinda hit a nerve, I guess... For a long time everytime I heard the term "Eternal Security" growing up it was anathema to me... But, when I did my research I discovered something I wasn't aware of... It wasn't being "Eternally secure" that my denom was against it was "Unconditional Security"... That is, setting aside standard Calvisnism and Arminian views on never saved vs back-sliding... The 'sense' that some people believe that once you confess Christ and are Baptized that you can live like the devil and you remain saved... Ie., Once Saved Always Saved - Unconditionally... To me that sounds rather Catholic, , in that some catholic live like the devil but as long as they make it to confession it OK... The OSAS-U sounds even 'worse' than the catholic view of Salvation... Then of course there is the extreme other end of the Spectrum where you can lose your salvation for any and every infraction and therefore must always be on ones guard against sin... Thankfully, most of us do not fit into either of the most extreme views... Now, as an AoG adherent I have no lack of Joy because Ephesians 2:8-9 are my watch word for 'maintaining' my salvation. Ie., I don't because He is the author and finisher of my salvation... Not me... We also like Romans 8:35-39 a great deal as it is a real and present comfort... Where we tend to differ is where and how much Free-Will plays a part in our Staying Saved... Not so much in the keeping oneself saved... But, if one really crazy day one weere to decide they didn't want to be a Christian any longer and lick Jesus out of their lives... No, granted only a crazy person would do such a thing... And, it is therfore highly unlikely... But, we maintain that the possibility exists that a person could insist on their own course long enough (really long~~~~~) to finally exasperate the Holy Spirit... I personally have never known anyone that mad at God long enough to rebuff the Spirit that long... But, I suppose it is possible... I mean, I tried it in anger and was able to stay angry just long enough to know I was angry and stupid... I mean when Jesus is standing in front of you with His Arms Outstretched telling you you can't do such and such because He loves you... Well, you scream that's not fair, stomp off to your truck drive down the road a ways and collapse crying... So, while I believe it is theoretically possible to (intentionally) lose ones salvation... My own experience indicates it is not at all easy to do so... Which leads my to a typically Calvinistic thought abouth those that "appear" to do so... That they really didn't know the Jesus I know... because after coming face to face with that love... How could I possibly continue in sin? Mike Sr. Oh, I almost forgot what struck the nerve... It was the perception that such a one as I has no joy... Nah... Gots plenty of joy... Perhaps, too much according to some on the music forums.