Evangelist Bomb droppers

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by IfbReformer, Mar 24, 2005.

  1. IfbReformer

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    Have you ever been in an IFB church and had an evangelist come in and say things you know are in direct contradiction to what you Pastor teaches? Whether they be standards issues or doctrinal issues?

    We had an evangelist come in last week(just for Sunday) with a College group and do just that.

    The theme of his message was abiding in Christ from I John.

    Here were some statements:

    "God will save the people you are witnessing to, maybe you say "I led someone to the Lord last year", well my friend if its been a year since you led someone to the Lord you are not abiding in Christ."

    The theme at this point was that if we are abiding in Christ, there is real power in our witnessing and people will be saved, if people are not being saved as we witness, it means we are not abiding in Christ.

    Our Pastor would and has taught that we are all are to go and witness and plant the seed, but it is God that gives the increase, people may or not get saved when we witness it is God who causes them to believe and as we can clearly see God does not cause everyone to believe.

    Another area he spoke of was movies, and it is kind of funny because our Pastor staff does not preach against all movies, but that Christians should show discernment in what they watch.

    This evangelist said Pastors aren't preaching against the shows anymore and thats not right. He said Hollywood does not produce anything worth our time and its a shame some preachers have stopped preaching against the shows.

    He went on a tirade about movies and Tv shows and even disected for the church how "Finding Nemo" was not a movie Christians out to watch.

    Then this evangelist went into marriage and said to the young people that the authority is always right, even when they are wrong we are to obey them. So if you have unsaved parents he said, and they don't want you to marry a certain girl, even if she is a good Christian, you out to listen to them and wait till they approve a someone you bring.

    He said if a women has an unsaved husband and he forbids her to come to church, then she out to obey her husband and not go to church.

    He said Acts 5:29 where Peter said "We ought to obey God rather than men." does not apply in most cases(and these cases he mentioned) and is used too often.

    In his view, if a Parent does not agree with the college their adult child will attend, they out to go where their parent tells them to go. The Parent knows the will of God for the childs life in his view, even into adulthood.

    I detected much Hyleism in this evangelist, which our church is totally against.

    There were many other Bombs he dropped, but suffice to say there was a long staff meeting at our church after he left and many questions were asked as to how that school(it was not Hyles Anderson) and that evangelist got through the screening process.

    There were some in the church that totally agreed with him and that is another danger - church splits caused by evangelists.

    I was speaking to someone a while back who told me his home church was split by a special speaker who came in and was on a KJV Only tirade, half the church agreed , the other half did not, a there you had it, a church split.

    I wonder what you experiances have been, and what kind of screening processes should be in place before having an evangelist come speak.

    IFBReformer

    [ March 24, 2005, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: IfbReformer ]
     
  2. MargoWriter

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    Several years ago when my home church up north was without a pastor, a young man from PCC called to ask what time our services were. He was in the area and needed a church to attend just for one Sunday.

    My dad was in charge of handling the calls since he was basically the 'brains' of the pulpit committee. ;) He told the man the times of our services, we'd be glad to have him, etc . . . BUT, my dad said, "we don't agree with PCC's stand for KJV only and we would request that you not bring this up at all." sure, sure the guy says, whatever.

    My younger sister was in the teen Sunday school class at the time. This young man visited that class. When my sister came back from ss she told us, "He said PCC is NOT KJV only." she went on to say that during a 'share' time this man had gotten up and shared some stuff, and basically brought up things my dad has specifically asked him not to bring up.

    :eek:
    The pulpit committee had some words with him, I think . . . :D
     
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    IFB: Actually, from your description I see a mixture of what can be termed Hylesism and Gotthardism (his principles of authority). I view both with a certain amount of caution.
     
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    You should have asked the man if he knew who William Carey was. It was 11 years before he won one person to Christ where he went.
     
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    You should have asked the man if he knew who William Carey was. It was 11 years before he won one person to Christ where he went. </font>[/QUOTE]Folks do have a tendency to forget Brothers Carey, Judson, et al. They forget God calls us to be faithful not successful (at least as the world calls success).
     
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    There is much emphasis in Hyles churches to produce quantity rather than quality. The problem is that quality is all that matters with respect to a person's eternal soul. There is a common story that goes around that an evangelist, Carl Hatch, claimed he led a man to the Lord while they were stopped at a red-light. The man he was witnessing to was in a separate car beside him, not riding with him. Not impossible I suppose, but most unlikely. This is the problem with the 1-2-3 pray after me crowd. Schaap claims that FB of Hammond baptized 15,000 people last year, and they are pushing for 25,000 this year. My question is "WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE!!!" It's not numbers, but being faithful to give the gospel that counts.

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    It is sad that so many parade around as "evangelist" and do nothing of the "work of an evangelist".

    Think "beat dem sheep" is the new great commandment.
     
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    Yeah. Somewhere the word "feed" got mixed up with "fleece" in some arenas too.
     
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    Sounds like typical saturation bombing.

    And, BTW, since we have only had one adult (that we know of) saved in seven years of work here I guess that means I am not abiding in Christ.

    This stuff is WAY to common with rivivalists.

    Give 'em enough reasons they are sure to walk an aisle.

    Amny years ago I heard a revivalist preach on "To him that knoweth to good and doeth it not to him it is sin." He asked, in rapid fire succession.

    Is it good to lead 5 people a day to the Lord?
    Is it good to pray 2 hours a day?
    Is it good to read your Bible for an hour a day?
    etc, etc.

    He then screamed the verse above. "If these things are good to do and you are not doing them YOU ARE IN SIN AND NEED TO WALK THIS AISLE AND GET RIGHT WITH GOD!!!!!"

    Boy, was I impressed :rolleyes:
     
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    Fixated on our own feet--is a common malady of our day--beware the wolves dressed as sheep.

    Verily, they have their reward; their millstones have not yet been delivered.

    Will there be any of "The Faith" left when Jesus returns?

    Yes !!!!

    Selah,

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    An evangelist's work is done in the world not the church building. So if they are to exercise their gifts why don't they set up camp where the world lives and eats instead of the local church. Didn't Jesus go to the people in the world. I don't see any cases where Jesus invited the world to his home. He went to them.
     
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    People neeed to be reminded that leading five people per day to Christ will only reach 54,787 people in 30 years. But the person who disciples on the average of one person per year who is able to discipe others will reach 536,870,912 people in 30 years. Who reached more, the person who led five people to Christ each day or the one who discipled one person each year?
     
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    I am encouraged by your faithfulness. We need more like you.
     
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    When speaking with one of the assistant Pastors at my church he said incidents like the one we had last Sunday with this Evangelist is a reason many churches today are reconsidering evening inviting evangelists.

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    A passage that comes to mind in times like these
    is found in the Gospel of Luke:

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    Why have him in?? Usually evangelists like don't broadside you with new stuff. They are typically known for what they are going to say ahead of time. I am sure his position on this was well known.
     
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    The modern misnomer "evangelist" rears again its ugly head.

    If churches today had any idea what the biblical evangelist was, every "evangelist" out there would be jobless in a week.

    People have been duped into thinking that a gang of parachurch bullies knows more about a local assembly than does that church's own pastor. Cheap salvations drawn from overworked crowds damn many people to hell under a false sense of security. Divisive issues and para-biblical teaching (e.g. - "Bless God, a REAL American doesn't play soccer!!) confuse and corrupt the people in the pew.

    Is it not tragic that although the Bible gives qualifications for two local church offices (pastor/elder/bishop and deacon), a group of people, who have established their own identity apart from Scripture, can claim authority over the Biblical leaders of churches?
     
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    Good to see you again rmp, and thanks for the input.
    I agree that we usually think of as "evangelists" today are nothing more than Christian motivational speakers.

    I agree that the true evangelist is out evangelising in the world, not "motivating" (or bullying) the sheep.

    Thanks as well for the encouraging personal words fellas [​IMG]
     
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    We had a revival recently, in which we had a visiting evangelist preach.

    However, before I invited him, I made it a point to visit another church where he was preaching and listened to what he had to say, Additionally, I spoke with him extensively before he was invited.

    I personally think that it is part of a pastors job to examine carefully anyone who will preaching from the pulpit.
     

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