Everything is a "miracle"

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  1. Luke2427

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    When you understand that it is God who opens the red rose against the morning sun in your garden no less than he opened the Red Sea for the Israelites, then your whole WORLD is nothing but divine miracles! Everything that happens throughout your entire day is nothing but God doing awesome things all around you.

    God gives the blue bird his song just as much as he gave Daniel his prophecy.
    God makes the rain fall just as much as he made the manna fall for Israel. It is God doing all these things!!
    Nothing is common!
    By what power does the electron circumnavigate the neutron inside every atom in the universe? By the same power that made Lazarus rise from the dead- the power of God.

    You don't need to go and have some experience to sure up your faith- the experience never ends! You don't need to have some service and work yourself into an emotional frenzy to "feel" God and know that he is real. He works all around you all the time and he never stops!!

    Colossians 1:17- And he is before all things, and by him ALL THINGS consist.

    Pentecostalism is taking us away from this all-important truth. It leads us into a form of semi-deism where God made the world and left it to laws and the only thing that is really God is some emotional ecstasy we feel in church or in the car when some song is playing. And we become as dependent upon those experiences to sure up our faith as a drug addict becomes chemically dependent upon his dope. We become emotional junkies.

    We need to get back to believing the Bible, being guided by it and believing in the hand of Providence in everything around us and be DONE with this emotional addiction.
     
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    So God made my sister cerebral palsy?
     
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    As Jesus told his disciples regarding the blind young man ...

    John 9, NASB
    3 ... "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
    4 "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.
    5 "While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world." ​

    He is still the Light of the World because He is still in the world, through His many brothers in the faith. God neither made nor approved of your sister's cerebral palsy, but He can use it to His glory. Is that not correct?

    I agree with Luke. Everything is a miracle, including how He might use your sister.
     
  4. Aaron

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    Everything is not a miracle. Though God is all and in all, not all events are miracles. The birth of a child is wonderful, but it is not a miracle. The Virgin Birth was a miracle.
     
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    1st there was a great deal of sorrow.... 40 years of dealing with an invalid & to say nothing for the heartache & pain of watching a person die a little each & every day. In the end, it killed my sister & my mother & my father who died of a heart attack at 39 ....I attribute that to the tremendous stress that caused everyone. She was not ambulatory, could not speak, walk, grasp a fork or spoon to feed herself so my mother had to do all for her......including bowel movements thru artificial means. And you say that was a miracle?
     
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    Yes, not literally a miracle. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not speaking literally. I even used quotes to offset the word "miracle."

    The point is that God is bringing the natural to pass as much as he brings the supernatural to pass.
     
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    And then bad things as well. Far be it from me however to question it. As it says in Job 34:10


    "Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity."


    For me ..... I just stand in awe of Job 38

    The Lord Speaks

    38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

    2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
    with words without knowledge?
    3 Brace yourself like a man;
    I will question you,
    and you shall answer me.

    4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
    Tell me, if you understand.
    5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
    Who stretched a measuring line across it?
    6 On what were its footings set,
    or who laid its cornerstone—
    7 while the morning stars sang together
    and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

    8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
    when it burst forth from the womb,
    9 when I made the clouds its garment
    and wrapped it in thick darkness,
    10 when I fixed limits for it
    and set its doors and bars in place,
    11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
    here is where your proud waves halt’?

    12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
    or shown the dawn its place,
    13 that it might take the earth by the edges
    and shake the wicked out of it?
    14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
    its features stand out like those of a garment.
    15 The wicked are denied their light,
    and their upraised arm is broken.

    16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
    or walked in the recesses of the deep?
    17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
    Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
    18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
    Tell me, if you know all this.
     
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    I'll disagree with Aaron that childbirth is not a miracle. The reason I say that is because of all I experienced with my infertility.

    When you realize the odds of an egg and sperm meeting during any particular day is just amazing. Even if everything is set up perfectly, often times it just doesn't happen. One month I had 10 good eggs release in ovulation. Everything was perfect. Even the tests the next day showed all was in good working order with the ingredients. (trying to be G rated here) But I did not get pregnant. Each and every month I went through trying, it didn't work even though as far as we knew, it should have done the trick. But God had other plans. Instead, my son was conceived outside of what the doctors said I should have been fertile. :) He definitely is a miracle.

    I spoke to my OB/Gyn one month about my struggle and I said to him that it's a miracle any child is conceived and he agreed. "Annie, I face miracles every day and each time I help deliver a new baby, I am in awe of the work that God does. Every single baby is a miracle." I love my doctor. :D
     
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    Some folk use this paradigm: a miracle is the setting aside of natural law to glorify God.

    Abraham and Sarah making Isaac was probably miraculous: Sarah was barren and Abraham old enough to be impotent, Ishmael notwithstanding.

    Jesus' conception was miraculous--no man was involved.

    Jesus performed many miracles--as part of His credentials:
    Water into wine, raising the dead; healing the terminally ill, walking on water; are all examples of setting natural laws aside to glorify God.

    Some say salvation is a miracle. Some say it is a spiritual law. Some say salvation is Grace, Grace, Grace. Many are confused as to what salvation might be. Maybe the miracle is that He saved anyone. Sure sounds like GRACE to me.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    That's right. "Bad" things too brother. But even those things will serve the highest and greatest of all purposes.
     
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    I would ask you just one question: What did her situation do for your faith?
     
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    Nothing I didnt have any & I probably disliked God do to the crosses that were carried by my mother for 40 years primarily..... You know what though, those experiences probably made me a thug & a criminal. I was going down a bad road that when I think about it could have easily landed me in prison. Its the Holy Spirit, later in my life that provided me any faith I might have. Thats the miracle, if I could be frank.
     
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    I will go the other way. The reason we do not think everything is a miracle is that we take the world around us and life sustaining events for granted. Every breath we take is a gift of the Lord and as far as I am concerned, a miracle. You mentioned several. The fact that earth is placed where it is from the sun is a miracle to sustain life. I do not think any of us could have done that. Romans 1 says we are without excuse, that we should be able to look at the creation around us and know there is God.
     
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    God made the universe and everything in it from NOTHING!! That's a miracle in and of itself.

    God made the earth and hung it upon NOTHING!! That's a miracle in and of itself.

    God took something inanimate and brought it to life!! That's a miracle in and of itself.

    God sent His Son to die for sinful man!! That's a miracle in and of itself.

    God saved me when I wanted NOTHING to do with Him!! That's a miracle in and of itself.

    God will send Jesus to take me home!! That's a miracle in and of itself!!
     
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    It's so rare that I have to make a point to note it, but I agree with Aaron on this one. Creation indeed is supernatural and unexplainable, but the term 'miracle' typically refers to a unique 'sign' or work of God in the midst of his created natural order.

    i.e. Water is a created marvel, but walking on it is a miracle.
     
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    Another miracle would be if you traveled back in time 500 years and became Calvin's housekeeper.
     
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    :wavey::thumbsup::love2:
     
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    That's only if Aaron had a point- which he does not.

    I think it is obvious that I was not speaking in the strict sense of the word.

    The point, an important one, is that we ought not be practical deists who need to "feel" God in some emotional way in order to have our faith confirmed.

    We ought to understand that God has ordained in eternity past and is as actively bringing to pass the opening of a single red rose against the morning sun as he opened the Red Sea for Israel.

    When you understand that it is ALL of God then you do not need emotional experiences at church to affirm your faith. You do not need the anecdote of the little boy and the kite string who told the preacher he knows its still up there because every once in a while he feels it tug on the string. You don't need that because God is doing the natural EVERY BIT AS MUCH as he has ever done the supernatural.
     
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    Let's speak of the most basic assurance needed, that one is a child of God.

    That assurance comes only from the witness of the Spirit. It is given only by asking in prayer, and for some, they must ask, seek, knock almost to the point of despair. They WOULD despair if God did not answer. No sight or sound in this world will do.

    We understand your point, but you make it very badly.
     
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    You are one sick puppy. What is it with you and your obsession? You even bring up the man of Geneva on threads having nothing to do with theology or history.

    Here's a mere sampling of your inane antics:

    S/N :"Yes, maybe him and John Calvin..." 9/20/13
    S/N :"You could dress up like John Calvin..." 9/14/13
    S/N :"How about John Calvin LOL?" 9/14/13
    S/N :"What would Calvin do?" 8/31/13
    S/N :"Maybe Calvin wrote it [the book of Hebrews] in a former life." 6/13/13
    S/N :"Say, I heard John Calvin just came out with..." 8/10/09
    S/N :"Do you have any pics of Calvin...' 7/24/06
     

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