In Genesis 3:16 Eve is told that her sorrow and her conception will be multiplied. An increase seems to imply an amount already present. The presence of sorrow in a perfect world seems a bit odd. Logically, if there is pain, there is the possibility of death. Would the physical bodies of humans experience death before the fall? Has death and life always been only a spiritual state and not a physical one? I will most likely have no more participation in this thread, but simply review the replies.