Evolutionary Warfare

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  1. jcrawford

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    Since the American states promote evolutionary secularism in the public schools and most evolutionists promote secularism in government there must be a correlation between the war in Iraq and evolutionary secularism in American government.

    Even George Bush says that this is not a Christian war against Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan so it must be a secular and evolutionary war. Since our government has nothing to do with Scientific Creationism or even God's Creation then it must be fighting an evolutionary secular war against the Muslim people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The question Christian Creationists must ask themselves is whether we should fight in, or even support, a secular war against Muslims who also believe in creation or whether we should fight against secular evolutionists and other secular warmongers in our government.

    Why should Christians fight the battles of secularists when their own public schools and courts have been taken over by evolutionary secularists who consistently rule against Christian prayer and education in government.

    Our government supports a Jewish state in Israel and an Islamic Kingdom in Saudi Arabia. Yet our own government constantly denies Christians the right to teach their religion in our public schools or to even pray in some of our finest military academies.

    And all the while, the secular evolutionists are making monkeys out us and laughing all the way to the secular bank.

    Christians aren't required to die either for Caesar or Washington. All they have to do is pay their taxes and refuse to fight for secular evolutionists and other black-robed secular thieves.
     
  2. donnA

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    Almost all religions believe in creation of some sort. Does not mean they beleive in the true God of creation. That would be a blending of religions.
     
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    Muslims are also solidly against abortion. But is that what this war is all about??
     
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    Your premises are questionable and your conclusions are fallaciously drawn. This seems more like a troll for responses than some sort of serious argument.

    May the response to such be light so as to not provide much feed.
     
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    1. The nation of Israel is not a "Jewish" state in terms of religion. It is a secular state that allows Jewish religious groups to form political parties that are included in the government. It is very restrictive when it comes to Christian missionary activities in Israel, though it is not the business of the US to impose its view of religious liberty on Israel, a sovereign country.

    2. It would be wrong for the US to inflict its principles of religious freedom on a sovereign nation. The diplomatic channels exist to facilitate relationships, not to force US policy on other countries. My objection to US support for the Saudi government is based on its hypocrisy in supporting a harsh, oppressive political dictatorship there, while spending more than 100 billion tax dollars to overthrown a harsy, oppressive political dictatorship in Iraq. The difference between the two is that the house of Saud has a close personal relationship with the Bush family and Saddam Hussein did not. The question of which of the two were more brutal is still open for debate.

    3. Christian chapel services are held at our military academies every week. No student at any of our military academies is prohibited from praying at any time.

    4. I don't get your point.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    When Hitler was killing his own German people (the Jews) we said "well not my business...just glad it is Germans killing Germans"). Or at least we "seemed" to be saying that.

    When Ruwandans decided to kill 600,000 of their own - the UN said to its own soldiers "stand down" and everyone else seemed to say "well at least it is Ruwandans killing Ruwandans".

    When Saddam killed Iraqi's in the North of Iraq (Kurds) it was just "Iraqi killing Iraqi" for most muslims in other countries and for the people in the US. (At least judged on their lack of protests and lack of military intervention).

    So these cases of mass slaughter were "ignored" historically.

    Now that this country is standing in the gap and stopping the slaughter - some people seem to question that intervention.

    When America entered the civil war - there were a lot of non-slavery reasong motivating the North to stop the breakup of America. Yet the "big moral problem" was slavery - no matter what other political reasons motivated governments to finally act.

    The big moral issue for the Germans was the slaughter of million of innocents - no matter what other reasons the Allies found for stopping them.

    You see where this is going.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  8. BobRyan

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    All religions have their faithful supporters and their more liberal culteral supports.

    It is no accident that the Islamic countries do not police their own when it comes to slaughter of Islamic people by Islamic governments.

    It is no accident that they never "protested" Saddam slaughtering Muslims - they only "protest" the freedom of those Muslims.

    It is no accident that the moderate Islamic governments "Fear their own people" and can not publically support America on issues that they strongly privately support.

    It is no accident that there is rejoicing in the streets of Islamic countries over the death of Americans on 9/11. We are engaged in a battle that will not end in Iraq.

    There is no question that the opposition to the US in multiple Islamic countries has been trying to blow-up US interests long before 9/11.

    There is no question that the Islamic nations form a fertile ground for recruiting terrorists and contributing resources. (I don't mean that all Muslims are terrorists - just that those countries are were 99.9% of the recruits and resources originate)

    There is no doubt that we are drawing many of the same people into Iraq that "would" otherwise be focused on more direct US projects.

    So when you ask the question of whether Christians should be able to see a moral value/interest in saving lives in the M.E. and fighting for sanity in the M.E. or whether stability in the M.E. benefits us in any way -- I think the answer is yes.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  9. BobRyan

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    The question is sometimes asked - 'How could a country like Iraq threaten the US'.

    My question "How could a country 1/10th the size of Irag -- Afganistan, with 1/100th of the economy and infrastructure that Iraq has - ever form a threat to the US"?

    How could the current interest of terrorist in Iraq - and influx of terrorists into "Iraq" give us any clue as to their willingness to "take resources from Saddam" whenever they would be offerred.

    How could Saddam's policy of "funding terrorists" in Israel - create "any kind of connection" between Saddam and Terrorists?

    Is it possible that the Christians are the ultimate target whether we like it or not.

    Obviously the answer is clear.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  10. Helen

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    UTE, we have our differences, but not on this one! I agree with you.

    In addition, jcrawford should note that as rotten as the Roman government was, Jesus never said a word against it. His Kingdom is NOT of this world.

    Jihad is.
     
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    If I understand Crawford correctly, I agree with him.
    As much as Americans want to deny it, we are losing our individual rights and freedoms along with our religious ones, while fighting a war in another country to give others the same benefits that are being taken away from us.
    If you don't believe we are losing our freedom or our rights here are a few things for you to try:

    1. Have your child give a report in science class on God's creation of the world.

    2. Tell the school authority you refuse psychological evaluation of your child in school.

    3. Open a bank account without using your social security number

    4. Ask to face your accuser if you are taken to court under accusation of abusing your child

    5. Tell a homosexual that you believe his behavior is sinful.

    6. Refuse to pay your property tax this year and see who really owns your home.

    7. Refuse a drug test at work

    And so on.
    You can go to jail, lose your property, lose your job, lose all your finances fighting in court, lose your child, blah blah blah. This is freedom? You don't truly own anything. You do have much of a say in your child's mental health care or education. You cannot say what you believe without fear. You cannot fight the system without losing everything you own.
    And we'll do everything we can to ensure other countries have the same benefits.
    I can assure you, the freedom we are trying to give them is NOT the same freedoms our nation set up based on Christian values. They are the new versions of freedoms set up by what is fast turning out to be a godless government.
    Gina
     
  12. BobRyan

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    To observe that our government and political climate is hostile to Christianity and to Christian themes like the Ten Commandments and the scientific evidence in favor of the Creator's own account of His OWN act in Creating this planet - goes without saying.

    But does the fact of the error in one area stop us from supporting government funded hospitals?

    A more direct problem is that we live in a very unstable world. The government knows our weakness and it sees our open borders. It knows the "possible threat" that could walk in those open doors. When the President keeps saying "An open society is difficult to protect" there is a lot more to that statement than can be held in mind and still get a good night's sleep.

    The "problem" is much larger than most people are willing to admit. A truly determined, well organized, well funded system -- like Islam can generate zealots of the exact type most tailored to exploit the weakness of an open society.

    We would do well to support all attempts to protect the borders. Afganistan looked like a "little goat villiage" without much "reach" at all -- on Sept 10. At least to those of us comfortably sleeping in our beds.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  13. Paul of Eugene

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    I think that it is a mistake to equate the freedom situation when America was sparsely populated with the freedom situation when our population is in the hundreds of millions. If make a septic tank on my land its not just my business - I can damage the health of my neighbor and for this reason we have laws that restrict my personal freedoms in this area.
     

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