Explaining cheap shots

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Since this thread was closed while I was asleep before I could reply I decided to expand my point on the sameness of the two parties' supporters and the fact that neither believes in a substance based campaign here.

    For months the Republicans and their backers here have taken cheap shots at Obama.

    His name sounds like Saddam Hussein
    He said in a book he would stand with the Muslims
    He went to a Muslin school as a child
    He had a temple of worship built for his acceptance speech (this is the one that prompted my thoughts)

    And now the cheap shots go the other way

    McCain has beer money
    Palin ought to stay home and take care of her baby
    Palin is being looked at for some supposed infraction
    Palin supports aerial wolf hunting (like that is going to affect national policy)
    Palin want to know what a VP does

    I contend that these are cheap shots that believers should avoid. I contend that we have a responsibility 'let our speech be always be seasoned with salt' and that we 'speak the truth in love.'

    Why don't we deal with issues? Because in reality neither party really makes a difference at the end of the day. Both are going to take our money to impose more big government involvement in our daily lives.

    Saying that (my original post was before the announcement yesterday)- Gov Palin looks like a 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington' character. The dreams are there, I think she really wants to make a difference and change things. The problem is, as Mr Smith learned, once the outsider becomes the insider they become part of the system.

    Cheap shots are the only option when there is not a dime's worth of difference.
     
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    If you are going to criticize at least know what it is you are criticizing. The issue with Obama's name has nothing to do with Saddam. It is the fact that it is a Moslem name.

    He didn't just go to a Moslem school. He was known as a Moslem.

    Whether or not Obama is or was a Moslem is not a cheap shot but a legitimate issue no matter how many times you work to tell yourself otherwise.

    And working to tie legitimate criticism to being a christian is in itself a cheap shot.
     
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    Thank you for helping me make my point.
     
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    And I will add that if Alaskan Wolves are important to you then it is a legitimate issue.

    See CK4 what you have either forgotten or never knew is that every American regardless of intelligence level, view point, or level of knowledge on politics. We all get to have a say. I do not care for Kens view pn Alaskan Wolves but if it is important to him then it is a legitimate issue. And quite frankly it is unAmerican of you to belittle others views as cheap shots as if they should not even be brought up at any time. You do not get to decide that.

    Kens view on those wolves, others views on Osama, or Even Palin may not be important to everyone or we may disagree but any issue that is important to one single American is a legitimate issue and fails the test of cheap shots.
     
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    You're right Roger and I apologize to everyone for saying she should stay home and take care of her 4 month old...

    Here is what this historic election means, one day just over the horizon there will be a president in the oval office with a different upbringing from yours. We may one day have a confessed Muslim who takes oath on a Quran or a Japanese candidate who believes in Buddhism. All of these people can be patriotic Americans and entitled to run like any other American. This is why your Muslim comments really shouldn't matter if we are really a democratic society believing that all men are created equal with the right to worship the God of their choosing...
     
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    Most of your post is a fair argument and that is what debate is all about. You make a good point about what may be 'cheap shots' to one are important issues to others.

    Your personal comment about me being 'un-American' for expressing my point of view is not on topic. Calling someone -'un-American' for disagreeing with you is simply not right. Though I do not like what I see to be 'cheap shots' I do not question the love of country of those who post them.

    Is it not possible to debate without personalising every issue?
     
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    Nobody wants to admit the truth here Roger. There isn't even a pennies worth of difference between these politicos. How can their policies be different when they all draw their cabinet members, advisers and staff members from the same organizations?

    What? Will the Tri Laterals in Obama's camp advise him to do different than the Tri Laterals in McCains camp? Or will the CFR memebrs in McCains camp advise him differently than the CFR members in Obama's?

    People should get real. These politicians are only in charge of signing things others put in front of them. And the people pushing the papers onto their desks are all cut from the same cloth.

    The world government league.
     
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    The use of the term cheap shot is an attempt to end debate. Is it not possible to allow for the views of others without belittleing them as irrelevant? The term un-American does not refer to a lack of the love of country. It refers to that which is contrary to what this country was founded on. The use of the term "cheap shot" is as personal as you can get. What is American is Ken gets to have his view on wolves and vote for the candidate that supports his views. We may disagree with him and debate him but it is his foundational right to hold those views and vote based on those views. I am not sticking up for Ken but just using his comments as an example.
     
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    Rev,

    Did you even read this comment where I concede that you have a valid point?

     
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    I did and then addressed your comment about being un-American.
     
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    :) - calling political debate and comments 'cheap shots' is un-American?

    Not in my America :).
     
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    Using terms to shut down debate is.
     
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    Since we are on the subject of cheap shots, I wonder what the "alchohol is sin" crowd, that are voting for McCain, thinks about his making part of his money from the sale of alchohol.
     
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    Terms like 'un-American'?

    And where, pray tell, do you get the idea that I am trying to 'shut down' debate?

    Back to the OP - I continue to contend that 'cheap shots', or whatever term you want to use, only come into play when there is no real substance. True, what I see as 'cheap shots' might be substantial to others and vice-versa, and that is a fair point.

    I would hope, though I know it is hopeless, that we could focus in real matters of substance than on whether or not some one smoked dope in high school and such topics.
     
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    Isn't it actually his wife's money? I mean if not for her there would not be a connect to this money, right?
     
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    While smoking dope may not be important to you it may be to someone else. Diminishing views of others in this fashion and relegating them as having no substance is un-American. This country was founded on the notion that everyone has a say what ever there view point. Disagree with such view points. But all view points are legitimate and as American as apple pie. Even those of the most ignorant. That freedom is what has made America great.
     
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    The one thing I wonder about since it is the election season is when the topic of Hanoi Jane is going to start showing up.You just gotta know that someone somewhere has a picture of Barack Hussein Obama at one of her rallies from the early 70's
     
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    My wife and I share our money. I assume part of his households are made up of his and her money. Probably a big percentage of "their" money comes from her.
    EDIT: After looking, he retired from the military and went into politics. I don't think he made multi-millions without her. He made a living off of beer. :laugh: Not that I give a hoot, but it sure makes for some fun poking at the "alcohol = sin" crowd, them supporting a candidate that gets his money from beer sales.
     
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    Nice you asked and answered at the same time.
     
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    To answer the OP.. cheap shots are fun!

    It is an election yr, and cheap shots are part of American Politics... they always have been...

    It is politics...
     

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