faith....Hope?

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    In the KJV, the Greek word 'elpis' is rendered 'hope' every time it appears in the Greek, except in Hebrews 10:23 where it's rendered 'faith'. Seems the usual Greek word for 'faith' is 'pistis'. Is this another goof in the KJV? Thoughts, anyone?
     
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    Tyndale's New Testament, Coverdale's Bible, Matthew's Bible, Coverdale's Duoglott, the Great Bible, Whittingham's New Testament, the Geneva Bible, and the Bishops' Bible all translated the Greek word used at Hebrews 10:23 accurately as "hope". According to the first rule given the translators, what “truth of the original” demanded that this rendering in the Bishops’ and other earlier English Bibles be altered?

     
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    Some KJVOs justify it as "advanced revelation".
     
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    Seems to be a case of trying to clarify or correct the original which reads; της ελπίδος, "of [our] hope”.

    One commentary reads:
    [O]ur faith—rather as Greek, “our hope”; which is indeed faith exercised as to the future inheritance. Hope rests on faith, and at the same time quickens faith, and is the ground of our bold confession (1Pe 3:15). Hope is similarly (Heb 10:22) connected with purification (1Jn 3:3).
    Jamieson, Fausset, Fausset, Brown, & Brown,
    A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. 1877. [LINK]
    (Heb 10:23).

    Support for the phrase, της πίστεως, “the confession of [our] faith” is found in a very few manuscripts.
    044, [11-12th century]
    1245, [12th century]
    1898, [11th century]

    I see it was corrected in the 1883 Cambridge edition of the Authorized Version.

    I'm curious as to when the correction was made.

    Rob
     
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    So far as I know, Scrivener's 1873 Cambridge edition was the first Cambridge or Oxford KJV edition to have "hope" at Hebrews 10:23. Thus, the present Zondervan KJV editions that follow the text of the 1873 Cambridge edition also have "hope" at this verse.

    Scrivener thought that "faith" for "hope" at Hebrews 10:23 was a "mere oversight of our [KJV] translators" (The Authorized Edition, p. 247). David Norton suggested that “faith” “could be a printer’s error because of ‘faithful’ later in the verse” (Textual History, p. 351).

    I do have one KJV edition first printed in 1841 in London that has ""confession of our hope" at Hebrews 10:23. It is an unusual KJV edition that has thousands of emendations or changes.
     
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    'Hope' is different than 'faith' says the Bible:

    1 Corinthians 13:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
    And now abideth faith, hope, charitie, these three,
    but the greatest of these is charitie.

    Here is a good definition of 'faith' and 'hope' as well:

    Heb 11:1 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Now faith is the grounds of things,
    which are hoped for, and the euidence of things
    which are not seene
    .

    I like to say:
    'Faith' is 'hope' with it's clothes on it.
     
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    IMO, faith and hope are two sides of the same coin: faith tends to focus on the now while hope is future-bent. However, we can separate the two, without damaging the other.
     
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    Some have noted a parallel or comparison between the three of 1 Corinthians 13:13 [faith, hope, and love] to the same three in Hebrews 10:22-24 [faith, v. 22; hope, v. 23; love, v. 24]. While present in the Greek and in the pre-1611 English Bibles, the parallel would be missing in the KJV.

    In 1659, Robert Gell, who had been a chaplin for one of the KJV translators, wrote: "And let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, (the [KJV] translators turn it [faith] which should be turn'd [hope,] according to all Greek copies, I have yet seen. Beside, the apostle in verses 22, 23, 24 hath the three theological graces, in their order)" (Essay, p. 525). Kutilek cited where Henry Alford (1810-1871) observed: “The word ’faith,’ given here by the A. V., instead of hope--breaking up the beautiful triad of vv. 22, 23, 24,--faith, hope, love,--was a mere mistake, hope being the original, without any variety of reading” (Beacham, One Bible Only, p. 42).
     

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