Fake BC? You decideI

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Is the Obama long form real or fake?

  1. I believe the Obama long form BC is legitimate

    54.2%
  2. I believe the Obama long form BC is fake

    37.5%
  3. Other, please explain

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  1. Winman

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    Before you answer the poll, please read the evidence below.

    I would like to submit evidence that I believe proves the recent long form birth certificate provided by President Obama is fake. I contend that Obama's long form BC was made by copying a genuine 1961 Hawaiin birth certificate that has been widely available on the internet for several years. It is the birth certificate of Susan Elizabeth Nordyke, who was born on Aug. 5th, 1961 in the very same hospital that President Obama was born in. She was born the very next day. This birth certificate has been widely available on the internet for several years, so there is no way this form could have been altered since Obama's long form BC came out several days ago. Here is the Nordyke BC:

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    Now look at the Obama BC that came out several days ago:

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    The very bottom of the Obama form is not shown here, but it is not necessary to show the evidence that the Obama form was copied from the Nordyke form.

    #1 Note the many small pencil marks that appear on the Nordyke form. Notice in the box 3 two small pencil marks that appear like an "X". Notice in the box 5b the pencil mark that looks like a slash "/" without the quotes. Notice in box 7G a mark that looks like the number "2". In box 9 a slash "/". In box 11 a cursive "R" or "2". In boxes 12a and 12b a slash "/". In box 14 a slash "/". In box 16 a scribble that looks similar to a lower case "a". In 17b a zero or "O".

    Now, look at the Obama form and you will see it has these same pencil marks in the same exact postions, although the slashes "/" in boxes 9 and 12B were altered to appear like the number "9", a very easy alteration.

    It is obvious to me that the Obama form is an copy of the Nordyke form. Although they erased the original type and entered data for Obama, they ignored these numerous pencil marks on the Nordyke form. They must not have been aware or concerned that the Nordyke form was published on the internet several years ago and made very little effort to conceal these marks.

    #2 Again, as on Obama's short form, the father's race is listed as African, which is not a race. There are many Caucausian or white Africans.

    #3 Note the Obama form has a green background, the Nordyke form is white.

    #4 Very notable, note that Ms. Nordyke's BC was registered on Aug. 11, 1961, three days after Obama's (bottom left corner), but the Nordyke form is 151 61 10637 while Obama's form is 151 61 10641 (top right of form). The Obama form is out of order!

    #Note the box 19a on Obama's form where a person would check whether they were an M.D., D.O (?), Midwife or Other. This is scribbled so that a person cannot tell if M.D. is checked or erased. I feel this is intentional to guard against being charged with impersonating a doctor if this person were located.

    So, this is the evidence I present. I feel the most compelling evidence is the numerous pencil marks found on the Nordyke form which has been available on the internet for several years. Here is a negative shown back in 2009, but the pencil marks are clearly seen.

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

    So, what do you think? Is the Obama long form a copy and fake, or is it legitimate?
     
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  2. Steadfast Fred

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    I do find it interesting that both are COLB's, yet of different colors. The 2nd one is obviously a newer document. Yet it does not say "DUPLICATE" or "COPY" on it.
     
  3. Salty

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    Something tells me that if Obams long form was a fake, someone in the Hawaii Dept of Health would have said something - even as an anonymous "off the record" statement (possibly to a newspaper or radio show. I am sure there is some Republican who woks at the DOH that would want the truth to be known.

    But that again, maybe I am just dreaming.
     
  4. Winman

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    The "form" is not a fake. It is a copy of a real Hawaiin birth certificate, that of Susan Nordyke who was born the very next day at the same hospital that Obama supposedly was. I believe all the little pencil marks shown on both forms proves that the Nordyke form was used for a template, the data was erased and Obama's information was typed in. The problem is that they did not erase all these little marks on the Nordyke BS that can be verified as being on this form for several years.

    You can go to the White House web page and download this document for yourself and examine in much greater detail and magnification. You will see Obama's form has the same exact marks as the Nordyke BS in exactly the same locations on the form.

    It is all the information on this form that is fake IMHO. But the "form" is legit.
     
  5. Steadfast Fred

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    Unless they are being silenced.
     
  6. righteousdude2

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    You Have Provided Some Interesting Data!

    The info you provide is a fairly convincing argument. However, it is, as Salty suggests, that you'd think someone from the hospital or hall of records would speak up, unless they're being paid off, or were warned not to cause waves.

    If you add the info on this video (http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1089.html
    )I posted on an earlier post. You are starting to see some pretty convincing arguments to make the case that the official BC is still to be produced, and that a cover up is definitely in the pipeline, and on its way to be pulled off! :thumbsup:

    Thanks,

    Pastor Paul
     
  7. poncho

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    Oh c'mon y'all forget about this BC stuff already didn't you hear the new news?

    "Obama killed Osama in the kitchen with a butter knife and then destroyed all the evidence." Colonel Mustard
     
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  8. Winman

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    Well, in a sense there is nothing to cover up, the hospital where Obama was supposedly born has no record of him ever being born there. It was widely reported that some of their records were destroyed, but the hospital has denied it. The doctor shown on the Obama form died over 8 years ago and his family were shocked when they learned he delivered Obama. No other doctors or nurses have ever been found that can verify his birth. Neighbors who lived in Obama's parent's neighborhood in Aug. 61 have been interviewed and none remember the family ever living at the address shown on the BC. This is unusual, because people generally love to claim they knew someone before they were famous.

    It is like a court of law, one evidence does not count for much, but when you have multiple evidences they do.

    I will check out that link, thanks.
     
  9. Steadfast Fred

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    Interesting video, rd!

    It could indeed bring into question whether the CoLB is indeed genuine or not.
     
  10. Steadfast Fred

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    Here's something interesting:

    For those who have Adobe Illustrator, go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

    This is the pdf of the Birth Certificate that the White House recently released.

    When you open the file with Adobe Illustrator, you can right click on the file and see that it is a layered document. One can click and drag the words revealing that this document is not legit at all.

    This does not mean that Obama does not have a Birth Certificate, only that the one that he released is not a legit Birth Certificate.
     
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  11. Don

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    Every PDF document, unlike static image formats such as TIFF, JPEG and BMP, has the ability to contain several 'layers' of information. First, there is the 'image layer'. If your PDF page contains any bitmap images, their information, such as the actual image, resolution, compression method and color depth, are included in this layer. Then there is the 'text layer'. The text layer includes the actual ASCII text and an identification of the text's location behind the bitmap of the page. This means that any page, regardless of its contents, is scanned to bitmap format and not recomposed. An OCR run is then performed against any desired area on the bitmap and the results stored in the text layer of the final PDF document. The result is an exact bitmapped replica of the scanned paper page, with text information stored behind the bitmap image of the page.

    What this does is result in a PDF document that is capable of being word-searched. Without this layer, all you get is an image-type file.

    The layered PDF has been extensively used by government immigration, education, and foreign relations departments.

    IN OTHER WORDS, being able to discredit the scan of the birth certificate does not prove that the document is illegitimate.

    What you need to do is find the birth certificates before and after Obama's...but Hawaii just started enacting a law that prohibits people from obtaining those records.
     
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  12. Steadfast Fred

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    The layers are different though. Texts are not on the same layer. The word none, for instance, is on two separate layers; i.e., Non on one layer, e on another. 1064 on one layer, 1 on another.

    The word should be on one layer, not two. The number should be on one layer, not two.
     
  13. HankD

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    Winman, there is one possibility that would explain these marks.
    The original template might have had them.

    Years ago before MS Word skeleton templates containing common data were made of official documents via thermo reproduction and latter stacked into the input hopper of the printing device which would add the data specific to each of the document going through the printer.

    If the original partial template document had marks then so would every other partial form reproduced from it.

    I know this from experience having been in the Electronic Data Processing field in the Air Force in the early 1960's.

    Not saying this is the explanation but it could be an explanation (apart from tampering).

    HankD
     
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    I'm in the forgery camp. Worse, it is about as poor a forgery as was the purported evidence brought against President Bush by Dan Rather.

    But, birth certificate aside, there is a larger problem that is admitted, even on the forged birth certificate, that being the fact that one of Obama's parents was not a US citizen.

    The information below will demonstrate that Barak Obama is not legally qualified to be the President of the United States.

    Natural Born Citizen Both parents are U. S. Citizens AND Born in the U.S. mainland

    TEST CASE: US Constitution Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5 -- U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) -- Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168 -- Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
    Citizen by Statute Born to at least one US Citizen Parent OR Born in the U.S. mainland OR Naturalized

    TEST CASE: US Constitution 14th Amendment, Sec. 1 -- U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) -- Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
    Native-Born Citizen Born in the U.S. mainland

    TEST CASE: US Constitution 14th Amendment, Sec. 1 -- U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) -- Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
     
  15. billwald

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    All things considered, why does it matter as long as every person who gets the job has sold out to the same people?
     
  16. HankD

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    Well it matters because the Constitution and the judicial branch of our government matters both of which have been and are presently being derailed because politicians (and judges) don't take their oath to defend it seriously.

    HankD
     
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    Actually glf the Rather forgery was a forgery without a doubt because it had graphics in it which didn't exist in the year of the creation of the document.

    OOPS!

    HankD
     
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    Well as you can see for the last few days this unlawfully ordained president as well as the congress and media are desperately trying to cover for him by working feverishly on the theatrical production of killing off a long dead terrorist asset to take our minds off the fact that Obama is in fact ineligible to be POTUS. It isn't working out so well so I wonder what's next?

    What will a lawless government do to prevent us from learning the truth about it? I shudder to think!
     
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    I have a copy of my BC, and it does not say "copy" or duplicate. The original had a raised seal. This one does not. This would not come across on a copier, etc.

    If Obama had no BC, how'd he get a DL, vote, get married, etc.?

    Thousands of babies are murdered in the name of abortion this week, the southeast is in ruins, and people are spending time on this?

    It's easier to complain than do something legitimate. Too many want to throw stones at Bush, Obama, or both, so they can feel smart and superior when they are neither.
     
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