Falling away

Follow the link, but the short version is it carries a supposition that at one time, the person being questioned DID in fact, beat his wife. Regardless if he answers yes, no, or maybe, he confirms that fact. There is no answer that validates that he never did do so.

 

Yes. I consider abortion to be a violation of the right to life, not murder. Just about all, if not all, politcians support at least some violation of rights.

 

Your question uses loaded words, in that it presupposes that abortion equals murder. I know you believe it does, but it is still loaded. Non loaded would be "How can you support a candidate who supports abortion?"

Or to look at it from the other side of the coin, what if it were asked, "How can you support someone who would force a 14 year old rape victim to bear the child of her attacker? Why do you hate children so?"

Neutral language keeps the debate on the issue, rather than introducing biases into the dialog.

 

Th ere's no debate in the scriptures, because they are silent on the issue.

Now, I know that you will cite the verse about God knew me in my mother's womb...which is true...but when did I become a person? Was it at conception? 2nd Trimester? Five weeks, three hours, 22 minutes and 6 seconds?

There is nothing in scripture or science equating a zygote or blastocyst with personhood.

So yes, there is indeed a supposition in the loaded words you chose. Abortion can be the removal of a clump of cellular tissue. I don't give a mass of cells the same rights as a little girl who has been raped. Sorry. It is also sin to revictimize her.

 

The board has no power to judge me. And it is not me with the burden of proof. You made the assertion that scripture equates abortion with murder, but cannot back it up ... with scripture. I genuinely would like to see it if you know of clear Biblical teaching on the subject. I have found none, nor anyone who can.

Adding more illogic to your flawed arguments. Maybe a debate club would do you some good.

 

Like I said...you got nothin'. Check and Mate!

If you make a statement as fact, expect to be called upon to provide supporting evidence. Otherwise, it is just opinion being stated as fact.

 

:BangHead: I must like beating my head into a wall...but ok...I'll bite. Where does that verse say life begins at the moment of conception? Are you not in the womb a week before birth also?

You are reading things that aren't there. That's why I knew you'd drag that one out...people with your view always do, but it doesn't say what they believe it does.

So...where in scripture is a zygote equal to a person? Where is abortion called murder? There is an argument to be made that there is scriptural evidence that post-birth infants are not worthy of life, as the angel of death, sent by God, did a mass murder of innocent infants at the passover in Egypt. Yet nothing about abortion?

 

You self-righteous condescension has become tiresome, steaver.

 

Indeed! :thumbs:

 

You have defended your political leanings and biases, steaver, just like all of us do. Nothing more.