False East/West Paradigm Hides The Rise Of Global Currency

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    Despite popular belief, very few things in our world are exactly what they seem. That which is painted as righteous is often evil. That which is painted as kind is often malicious. That which is painted as simple is often complex. That which is painted as complex often ends up being disturbingly two dimensional. Regardless, if a person is willing to look only at the immediate surface of a thing, he will never understand the content of the thing.

    This fact is nowhere more evident than in the growing “tensions” between the elites of the West and the elites of the East over the crisis in Ukraine.

    I am continually astonished at the refusal of many otherwise intelligent people to consider the evidence or even the possibility that there is, in reality, no fundamental political or philosophical conflict between the power brokers of the East and the West. As I outlined in great detail in Russia Is Dominated By Global Banks, Too, the truth is they are both working toward the same goal; and both ultimately benefit from an engineered and theatrical display of international brinksmanship.

    Russia, like the United States, is utterly beholden to globalist financiers through organizations like the International Monetary Fund and the Bank for International Settlements. Russia’s global economic adviser in matters ranging from investment image to privatization is none other than Goldman Sachs.

    Goldman Sachs has also worked closely with the Ukrainian government since 2011, and it started its advisory work with Ukraine for free. (Whenever Goldman Sachs does something for free, one should take special note.) Banking elites have been working both sides of the fence during the Russia versus Ukraine charade.

    Russia has continued to borrow billions of dollars from Western banks, including Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse, year after year, proving that they are not averse in the slightest to working closely with "evil Western robber barons".

    Russian President Vladimir Putin meets with Mr. New-World-Order himself, Henry Kissinger, on a regular basis; and according to Putin’s press secretary, they are “old friends.” Putin’s meetings with Kissinger began almost immediately after he first took power in 2000.

    Putin’s relationship with Kissinger has been so pronounced that the Russian Foreign Ministry gave Kissinger an honorary doctorate in diplomacy, and Putin placed Kissinger at the head of a bilateral “working group” — along with former KGB head and multilateralist (globalist) Gen. Yevgeny Primakov — dealing with foreign policy.

    Read More At: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2126-false-eastwest-paradigm-hides-the-rise-of-global-currency
     
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    Ahhh...I see. So both eastern and western elites are working toward the same goal--of being utterly beholden to global financiers.

    So, Poncho, help me out here, if the power broker elite of both east and west are working together to become slaves of the international bankers, well, isn't that a stupid plan? And if they are, how can they be called elite?

    Note the author insults people as being too dumb to see what he sees, which is question begging--"don't you know there is no fundamental political or philosophical conflict between the power brokers of the East and the West?" Then notice there was no mention of global currency in the rambling multi-paragraph section that Poncho quoted.

    (also note that this author actually references his own writings as proof that he's right, instead of referencing another shill for his theories, who references another shill, who then references the original author.)

    So we've got the top four characteristics of a conspiracy theorist in play:
    1. Claim to have inside information and that all other people are too dumb or uninformed to know.
    2. Beg the question, that is, assert something as being factual without presenting a shred of proof.
    3. Offer as "proof" something you have written, or else offer something other like-minded people have written, these other people frequently reference things you've written as their "proof."
    4. Ramble on about two or three other subjects to give yourself the appearance of being informed.
     
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    :applause:

    Keep you eyes closed everything is okay. You can take the corporation's word for it. :laugh:
     
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    Why don't you address my points, instead of being Admiral Avoids-O. Here's your chance, again...

    Ahhh...I see. So both eastern and western elites are working toward the same goal--of being utterly beholden to global financiers.

    So, Poncho, help me out here, if the power broker elite of both east and west are working together to become slaves of the international bankers, well, isn't that a stupid plan? And if they are, how can they be called elite?

    [And you do realize that the thread title is a dual question-begging proposition--that there is a false east/west paradigm and that global currency is on the rise--both which are stated as if established facts and neither of which was addressed in the article.]
     
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    Naw that's okay. I've come to the conclusion that people who regularly display their hostility and hypocrisy in the most cowardly and infantile ways possible for all to see aren't worth talking to.

    I put the info out there. People can do their own research and make up their own minds about you and the information. That's good enough for me. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Translation: I know when my argument is garbage and I can't rebut your points so I'll quit.

    But there is no information. There are wild accusations based on assumed conclusions (there is a false east/west paradigm) and then another false conclusion (there is a rise of global currency.)
     
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    Whatever . . . :wavey:
     
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    Americans are starting to understand that the U.S. is an oligarchy, rather than a democracy or a republic. (Even the chair of the Federal Reserve can’t really disagree.)

    That’s true of war-making and foreign policy, as well.

    Consummate insider Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, the guy who wrote Powell’s famous speech on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – notes:

    Who’s behind the White House, and who’s therefore behind U.S. foreign policy, more or less? I think the answer today is the oligarchs. Which would be the same answer, – incidentally, ironically, if you will – for Putin in Russia. The people who own the wealth, the people who therefore have the power and who more or less (and I’m not being too facetious here) buy the president and thus buy American foreign policy.

    < smip >

    Wilkerson explains that war profiteers feed off conflict:

    INTERVIEWER: One of the things that always hits me is that – once you look at the predictions of who would win in world war 2 – mostly what I’ve seen is that by 1940 or ’41 it was pretty clear Hitler was going to lose. If you’re in the German monopoly capitalist class doing analysis, you’re thinking, “Now this is not going to lead to anything good for us. Why aren’t we bailing?” But the forces of refusing to accept the reality of it were far too strong.

    COLONEL WILKERSON: That’s a good point. I would say – and I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, normally – but I would say there were forces behind that shadow, if you will, who were doing quite well. Swiss, Germans, Americans and others who were more or less feeding off the conflict, and got very wealthy feeding off the conflict. Just as they did off of World War 1, even more predominately with respect to the United States, in particular. German reparations and so forth. We made a ton of money off of World War 1. And we really didn’t contribute a whole lot, if you remember. We were really only there substantially for a very short period of time, roughly April 1917 until Armistice Day. So, there is a group which is interested in this kind of thing – and this group alarms probably more than any other in the world, particularly in my own country – that is interested in a constant state of war, or as near a constant state as possible. Because they sit behind all the belligerents and make money.

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    I was there when they promised the Russians that they were going to make them a member [of NATO]. An observer first, and then a member ….Well that fell apart when they perceived right quickly that we weren’t really serious. And then we start – under pressure from Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon and others – to sell weapons to Poland, and weapons to Georgia, and weapons to Romania, and everyone else we could bring into the fold. Under those pressures and others we started to expand NATO, and stuck both our fingers in the Russian eyes, so to speak, immediately. It’s clear to me why Putin has responded to Georgia and why he’s now responding to Crimea and Ukraine. That’s what great powers do when they get concerned about their so-called “near abroad”.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/colonel-wilkerson-oligarchy-controls-u-s-war-making/5382095
     
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    Begging the question, unsubstantiated allegation.

    Begging the question, unsubstantiated allegation.

    Unsubstantiated allegation.


    Yes, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that banks make loans to countries in times of war.
     
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    "The centralization of power is best achieved during moments of bewildering calamity. The conjuring of crises is one of the oldest methods of elitist dominance. Not only can they confuse and frighten the masses into malleability, but they can also ride to the public’s rescue as heroes and saviors later on. The Hegelian dialectic is the mainstay of tyrants."

    "you never want to let a serious crisis go to waste" Rahm Emanuel.
     
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    Has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP. Attempt to derail thread noted.
     
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    For the third time in two weeks, it's his own thread, too. :rolleyes:
     
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    I remember when I was consumed with conspiracy theories... that was a sad time in my life, I believed the same things when I was doing drugs like LSD.

    People who present these kind of theories have no idea if the information they are reading is true or not.

    if their really is an elite, which I don't think that's really too far of a stretch, then surely they put out misinformation, I wonder how much truth people like Alex Jones really give out....

    There's no way of knowing who's lying, who's telling the truth, or who's just fear mongering to make money off of you.

    At the end of our lives God doesn't care about who had the inside truth on "the globalists", he cares about who stands on his word and who is faithfully preaching the gospel.

    Poncho it seems to me like conspiracy theories consume you, Will you please consider how much time you spend on stuff like this as opposed to spending in God's word, Prayer, and Evangelism?
     
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    Amen! :thumbsup:

    I join Jordan in urging Poncho to consider that question, and to repent of the wasted time, and to please recommit to fellowship with his brothers and sisters in Christ.
     
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    Attempt to derail thread noted. :)
     
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    Refusal to examine one's self noted.
     
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    BEIJING, March 23 (Reuters) - China on Monday proposed a sweeping overhaul of the global monetary system, outlining how the dollar could eventually be replaced as the world's main reserve currency by the IMF's Special Drawing Right.

    The SDR is an international reserve asset created by the International Monetary Fund in 1969 that has the potential to act as a super-sovereign reserve currency, Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of the People's Bank of China, said in remarks published on the central bank's website, www.pbc.gov.cn.

    "The role of the SDR has not been put into full play due to limitations on its allocation and the scope of its uses. However, it serves as the light in the tunnel for the reform of the international monetary system," he said.

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    A super-sovereign reserve currency would not only eliminate the risks inherent in fiat currencies such as the dollar -- which are backed only by the credit of the issuing country, not by gold or silver -- but would also make it possible to manage global liquidity, Zhou argued.

    "When a country's currency is no longer used as the yardstick for global trade and as the benchmark for other currencies, the exchange rate policy of the country would be far more effective in adjusting economic imbalances. This will significantly reduce the risks of a future crisis and enhance crisis management capability." he said.

    Reform of the international monetary system is likely to take a back seat to the more urgent task of economic and financial stabilisation when leaders of the Group of 20 developed and emerging economies meet in London on April 2.

    But Zhou's speech shows that the issue is a pressing one for China, whose top officials regularly bemoan the volatility of the dollar and what they see as U.S. economic mismanagement.

    Creating a new, widely accepted reserve currency may take a long time, Zhou acknowledged. It would be a "bold initiative that requires extraordinary political vision and courage".

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/23/china-sdr-idUSPEK18455820090323

    France, as current head of the Group of 20 countries, will help the transition to a global financial system based on 'several international currencies', French Economy Minister Christine Lagarde said today.

    Lagarde, speaking ahead of a G20 finance ministers meeting in Paris on Friday and Saturday, said the world had to move on from the 'non-monetary system' it now has to one 'based on several international currencies'.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2011/0214/297662-g20/

    5 January 2014 Article "Global governance should recognise global citizenship" supports Single Global Currency. Article by R. Seetharaman in the Gulf Times. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"

    1 January 2014. Latvia joins the Eurozone, bringing the number of euro countries to 18, and reducing the number of currencies needed to transact business in the world to 140 for 193 U.N. members. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"

    8 December 2013. Barry Eichengrein gives support to development of Australia/New Zealand monetary union. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"

    2 December 2013. Five countries sign protocol for creating East Africa Monetary Unon. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"

    18 July 2013 African Union urges all-Africa Monetary Union. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"
    5 June 2013. Latvia given EU and EMU OK to adopt euro on January 1, 2014, pending further approvals. See SGC Links - Articles - non-academic"

    14 February 2013. Ramon Tamames , distinguished citizen and economist of Espana, has agreed to join the Advisory Board of the Single Global Currency Assn., after meeting with SGCA President, Morrison Bonpasse in Malaga.

    5 February 2013. Duane Higgins of the U.S. proposes new name for future Single Global Currency: "SPEDRI," as derived from of SDR (SPEcial Drawing RIghts). See Feedback on SGC Name.

    http://www.singleglobalcurrency.org/

    In bailing out the new Ukrainian government, the IMF announcement of its decision — taken with approval from Russian authorities despite the alleged East-West brouhaha — referred to SDRs on multiple occasions. The press release noted that the IMF board had agreed to a two-year “Stand-By Arrangement” that “amounts to SDR 10.976 billion (about US$17.01 billion, 800 percent of quota).” The approval under the Fund's “exceptional access policy,” the statement said, “enables the immediate disbursement of SDR 2.058 billion (about US$3.19 billion), with SDR 1.29 billion (about US$2 billion) being allocated to budget support.”
     
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    If you think China is beholden to any east (read Russia) or west (read US/Europe) banks you are sadly mistaken. They will not welcome one global currency unless it is theirs. Do you think the "international banksters" will allow China to run the world's currency exchange rate?

    Also, explain how having "several international currencies" not based on the dollar gives rise to one global currency?

    You post stuff that is either off-topic or detrimental to your own OP.
     
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    In bailing out the new Ukrainian government, the IMF announcement of its decision — taken with approval from Russian authorities despite the alleged East-West brouhaha — referred to SDRs on multiple occasions. The press release noted that the IMF board had agreed to a two-year “Stand-By Arrangement” that “amounts to SDR 10.976 billion (about US$17.01 billion, 800 percent of quota).” The approval under the Fund's “exceptional access policy,” the statement said, “enables the immediate disbursement of SDR 2.058 billion (about US$3.19 billion), with SDR 1.29 billion (about US$2 billion) being allocated to budget support.”

    It is not the first time the IMF has relied on SDRs, which were originally created in 1969, for bailing out governments that agree to its demands. Iceland, for example, was also bailed out by the IMF amid the financial crisis with loans denominated in SDRs, which the Fund uses as its "unit of account." However, the move in Ukraine has attracted the attention of prominent analysts including currency expert and best-selling author Jim Rickards, as well as Robert Wenzel, editor of the Economic Policy Journal. “The U.S. has never really stopped promoting SDRs as a global currency,” Wenzel noted. “Now Ukraine is being bailed out with this global government souped up money.”

    In an e-mail to The New American, Wenzel noted that during the recent financial crisis, IMF allocations of SDRs occurred in 2009 and 2011 to various countries. “But what is noteworthy about those distributions is that China voiced its displeasure at the measures,” he said, citing comments made by the chairman of the People's Bank of China, Zhou Xiaochuan. “It highlights the legitimate concern of the Chinese that the U.S., because of its major influence at the IMF, is trying to promote the SDR as an alternative to the dollar.”

    “The payment to Ukraine in SDRs should be viewed as another move in this direction,” Wenzel added. “It signals fear on the part of U.S. government officials that the dollar is slowly losing its luster as a reserve currency. U.S. officials are trying to nudge the SDR as the alternative to the dollar because they will still maintain significant influence with regard to the SDR, as opposed to some other currency taking hold in parts of the world as a reserve currency (the [Chinese] renminbi?) or gold returning as an important reserve. China and Russia are both presently accumulating gold.”

    Other analysts have also pointed to the latest IMF move as significant. Writing in Personal Liberty Digest, Alternative Market Project founder Brandon Smith suggested that the supposed bickering between East and West is largely theater for public consumption. Noting that like the U.S. government, Russian authorities are also dominated by global banks, Smith said that what is happening with the Ukraine bailout is part of the quiet but open move toward replacing the U.S. dollar with a global fiat currency such as the SDR.

    “The SDR will not immediately be issued as a commonly traded currency itself,” he said. “Rather, the IMF will take over management of included currencies and denominate those currencies using SDR valuations. For example, $1 U.S. is worth only .64 SDR today. In the near future, I expect that the dollar will plummet in relation to the SDR’s value. We will still have our greenbacks when the IMF begins administrating our currency system, but the international and domestic worth of those greenbacks will fall to pennies. In turn, other currencies with stronger economic positions will rise in worth relative to the SDR.”

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    Under the explicitly outlined globalist vision, the IMF would serve as the planetary central bank — complete with the ability to fleece humanity by conjuring fiat currency into existence at interest like other privately owned central banks around the world, such as the U.S. Federal Reserve. With the SDR-denominated bailout of Kiev, along with the growing influence and amount of the IMF’s proto-global currency, analysts say that mission is another step closer to being accomplished. That would be a disaster for the world — and especially for Americans.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/item/18207-imf-bailout-for-ukraine-and-a-new-world-currency
     
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    So the International Monetary Fund uses their own currency, the SDR, in special cases where it loans government some money. That does not mean that the SDR will become the single, lone global currency any more than the Euro would become that currency. And China would never stand for it.
     

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