Falwell’s Folly

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    Falwell’s Folly
    by Laurence M. Vance


    Jerry Falwell has done it again. Just like Jacob’s sons Simeon and Levi made him "stink among the inhabitants of the land" (Genesis 34:30), so Falwell has made Christians stink. Case in point – Falwell’s recent WorldNetDaily article in which he made an attempt, and a very feeble one, to justify, with Scripture, President Bush’s invasion of Iraq – an invasion which has resulted, and continues to result, in the senseless deaths of American servicemen. And if the article itself wasn’t bad enough, he had the audacity to entitle it: "God is pro-war." As a Christian of the Independent Baptist persuasion (like Falwell), I am almost ashamed to identify myself as such. Although Falwell has been an embarrassment to Independent Baptists for years, his recent article is just too much to stomach.

    Falwell is certainly correct when he says about war that "the Bible is not silent on the subject." Yes, it is true that "just as there are numerous references to peace in the Bible, there are frequent references to God-ordained war." And yes, it is true that Jesus is depicted in Revelation 19 as "bearing a ‘sharp sword’ and smiting nations, ruling them with ‘a rod of iron.’" And yes again, it is true that "the Song of Victory in Exodus 15 hails God as a God of war." Furthermore, no one can deny that "God actually strengthened individuals for war, including Moses, Joshua, and many of the Old Testament judges who demonstrated great faith in battle." And finally, it is true that "the Bible tells us war will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars."

    Falwell is also correct when he says about society that "we continue to live in violent times." And yes, "America continues to face the horrible realities of our fallen world. Suicide bombings and terrorist actions are beamed live into our homes daily."

    The problem with Falwell’s article is not with these observations that anyone who read the Bible and watched the nightly news already knew. The problem with the article is the numerous distortions of Scripture and the truth that occur in it.

    Falwell’s first distortion is the inappropriate use of that portion of Scripture that prefaces his article: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born . . . , a time of war." This implies that the present war in Iraq is just because, after all, there is "a time of war." If the United States was invaded then it would certainly be "a time of war." But it would be a morally justifiable defensive war against an aggressor. The war in Iraq is neither defensive nor against an aggressor.

    Falwell’s second distortion is the title of his article itself: "God is pro-war." To say that because God permitted wars to take place, and even commanded the nation of Israel in the Old Testament to conduct them, that he is "pro-war" is ludicrous. We know from the Bible that God is pro-holiness and pro-righteousness, but to say that God is "pro-war" doesn’t sound like any description of God’s attributes that I ever read in a systematic theology book. Was God pro-Crimean War? Was God pro-War of the Austrian Succession? Was God pro-War of the Roses? Whose side was he on in these conflicts? What Falwell really means is that God is pro-American wars. Falwell’s shameless pseudo-patriotism is a violation of the third commandment in the Bible he professes to believe: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" (Exodus 20:7).

    Falwell’s third distortion: "God even gives counsel to be wise in war. Proverbs 20:18: 'Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.'" How this verse is supposed to mean that "God even gives counsel to be wise in war" is beyond me. Nothing in the verse or the context suggests that God is giving the counsel or the advice. Did God give Hitler and Stalin counsel to be wise in war? Did God give Pol Pot and Ho Chi Min advice to make war? Oh, I guess it just means that God only gives U.S. presidents counsel and advise to be wise in war? But could that even be the case? Did God give Lincoln counsel to invade the South after Lincoln said: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."? Did God give advice to Wilson to make the world safe for democracy after Wilson sought reelection on the slogan "he kept us out of war"?

    Falwell’s fourth distortion: "It is apparent that our God-authored freedoms must be defended. Throughout the book of Judges, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God’s people were called to defend themselves." But what does invading Iraq have to do with defending our God-authored freedoms? For this analogy to be credible, several things must of necessity be true. First, Iraq would had to have been trying to conquer the United States – which it wasn’t, and couldn’t possibly have done so if it tried. Second, the citizens of the United States would have to be God’s people – quite strange in view of the fact that God and his Bible are unwelcome in most of the country’s schools. Christians can quote 2 Chronicles 7:14 all they want, but it still won’t change the fact that America is not made up of God’s people like Israel of the Old Testament. Third, invading another country would have to be a means of defending our God-authored freedoms. That is, we owe our freedoms to offensive wars by the United States military away from American soil in places that most Americans couldn’t locate on a map. And fourth, the state would have to be the defender of our God-given freedoms. But who has always been the greatest opponent of anyone’s God-authored freedoms? Why, the state, of course.

    Falwell’s fifth distortion: "President Bush declared war in Iraq to defend innocent people. This is a worthy pursuit. In fact, Proverbs 21:15 tells us: 'It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.'" Well, first of all, according to that archaic, neglected document in Washington known as the Constitution, the power to declare war belongs exclusively to Congress (Art. I, Sec. 8, Par. 11). The fact that Congress hasn’t officially issued a declaration of war since World War II doesn’t change anything. It only demonstrates that the Iraq fiasco is not any more constitutional than the Korea or Vietnam fiascos were. Secondly, I thought the war was all about finding weapons of mass destruction, destroying chemical weapons labs, or uncovering Iraq’s nascent nuclear capability? If the United States is so interested in defending innocent people in Iraq then why was not Saddam Hussein removed during the First Gulf War? Why let them suffer all these years? And why stop at Iraq? Why not defend the innocent people in North Korea who have suffered under oppressive regimes for decades? And if it is such a worthy pursuit to defend innocent people in Iraq, then why not defend innocent people in America? How many millions of unborn children have been slaughtered in the United States since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision? How many thousands of people are languishing in U.S. prisons for victimless crimes? There are also two problems with Falwell’s equating the destruction of Iraq by the U.S. military with the destruction of the workers of iniquity. First off, I don’t recall reading in Proverbs that it is the job of the United States to destroy the workers of iniquity. And second, if "destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity," then the United States is in trouble, for we have worked iniquity all over the globe for the past fifty years.

    Falwell’s sixth distortion: "One of the primary purposes of the church is to stop the spread of evil, even at the cost of human lives. If we do not stop the spread of evil, many innocent lives will be lost and the kingdom of God suffers." I thought one of the primary purposes of the church was to preach the gospel? I thought one of the primary purposes of the church was to teach converts? There is no mention anywhere in the New Testament of the church being commanded to stop the spread of evil. Only God himself can stop the spread of evil. The Apostle Paul preached the gospel and taught converts (Acts 14:21), he didn’t waste five minutes trying to stop the spread of something as nebulous as evil. And then there is the "cost of human lives." Should the church practice evil to stop evil? Does the end justify the means? Falwell apparently thinks it does, even though the Apostle Paul said it was slanderously reported that he was saying: "Let us do evil, that good may come?" (Romans 3:8). Falwell’s attitude is like the then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Madeleine Albright, in 1996, saying that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children because of U.S. sanctions was "worth it" in order to punish Saddam Hussein.

    Falwell’s seventh distortion: "Some reading this column will surely ask, ‘Doesn’t the sixth commandment say, "Thou shalt not kill?"’ Actually, no; it says: ‘Thou shalt not commit murder.’ There is a difference between killing and murdering. In fact, many times God commanded capital punishment for those who break the law." Falwell is exactly right, there is a difference between killing and murdering. The question then is this: Is dropping bombs on countries thousands of miles away for dubious reasons killing or murdering? I think the answer is quite obvious.

    In addition to mentioning war, the writer of Ecclesiastes also says that there is "a time to keep silence" (Ecclesiastes 3:7). Mr. Falwell, are you listening?


    February 7, 2004

    Laurence M. Vance [send him mail] is a freelance writer and an adjunct instructor in accounting and economics at Pensacola Junior College in Pensacola, FL. Visit his website.

    Copyright © 2004 LewRockwell.com










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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/

    says:

    //LewRockwell.com
    anti-state, anti-war, pro-market//

    Nothing said at a site taking this stance is worthy
    of our attention. When such a undisciplined site
    demeans Brother Jerry Fallwell,
    The Father of 20th Century Independent Fundamentalism,
    our beloved specifier of 'Fundamentalist',
    then it becomes an abomination.

    Request this thread be deleted, This topic violates the
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    5. No trolling. Trolling consists of provoking large volumes
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    It is patently absurd to run down Brother Jerry Fallwell :(
     
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    A criticism of Bro Falwell hardly can bve equated with "racism,
    every form of greed, selfishness, and vice,
    and all forms of sexual immorality, including but not limited to adultery,
    homosexuality, and pornography are strictly prohibited.."

    This also does not appear to be an instance of trolling.
     
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    We say down south Ed: The hit dog yelps. On this subject, Bro Jerry is a false prophet of the 1rst degree.
     
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    BJ writes:
    – an invasion which has resulted, and continues to result, in the senseless deaths of American servicemen.
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    Not one drop of blood spilled by these brave men and women should ever be called senseless. You may not agree with the war, many things about it I dont agree with. However your callous, insensitive, whiny mouth way of describing deaths of heroes is an affront to those of us who knew them.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Radford Virginia is on the line that forms
    the NORTH border of Oklahoma. You Sir are
    a /expletive snipped/ Yankee :(

    I see from the Google map you are near
    Lynchburg Virgina, home of the wonderful
    Saint of Independent Fundamental Baptists,
    Jerry Fallwell.

    Here is my prewritten document that i wrote
    concerning the un-fudnamental liberal
    hyper-fundamentals:
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    The fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism:

    1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
    2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
    3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
    4. the literal resurrrection of Christ from the dead
    5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

    The hyper-fundamentals:

    1. Anti-Bible (KJBO = King James Bible Only)
    2. Anti-education
    3. Anti-success
    4. Anti-female
    5. Anti-alien (Hate of gay-boys, racism, etc.)

    Typical statements made by the hyper-fundamentalist:
    (note that the world calls them "fundies"
    and we real fundamentalists have to bear their
    burden unjustly):

    1. The KJB replaces the origial language manuscripts as being God's word
    2. Calling "seminary": "cemetery"
    3. Jerry Falwell sold out to the Devil
    4. woman, kneel before your man
    5. Jews killed Christ
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    Strange that the attack was specified then
    as being against Jerry Falwell.
    Personally i learned what IFB meant from
    Jerry Fallwell. I see no reason then NOR
    now to get on his case :eek:

    I'll be back with some of my own arguments
    to debate against the professional arguments
    presented here. I just don't get paid enough
    to debate the professional dissers :(
     
  7. Brother James

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    In all fairness, here is brother Jerry's column for all to read. If you can't see the scriptural error in it I suspect you are blinded by nationalism.

    This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
    To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36859


    Saturday, January 31, 2004


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    God is pro-war

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    Posted: January 31, 2004
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    By Rev. Jerry Falwell


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    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

    "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
    (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)
    Christians have struggled with the issue of war for centuries. Before Jesus arrived on the scene, all good people wrestled with war and the existence of evil. Thankfully, the Bible is not silent on the subject.

    Before we examine war, though, let's look at the God of Peace.

    One of God's primary attributes is peace. Isaiah said the Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). God longs for all people to live in peace. That is how He created the universe – in total peace and harmony.

    Christians are to be people of peace.

    One of the most notable biblical commands to live in peace is in Romans 12:18: "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."

    With the Bible clear on our responsibility to live peaceably, it seems that there would be no reason to ever go to war. However, if one depends on the Bible as a guidepost for living, it is readily apparent that war is sometimes a necessary option. In fact, just as there are numerous references to peace in the Bible, there are frequent references to God-ordained war.

    Many present-day pacifists hold Jesus as their example for unvarying peace. But they ignore the full revelation concerning Jesus pictured in the book of Revelation 19, where He is depicted bearing a "sharp sword" and smiting nations, ruling them with "a rod of iron."

    Moreover, the Song of Victory in Exodus 15 hails God as a God of war: "… The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name." And, as the verses that open this column indicate, there is indeed a time for war.

    God actually strengthened individuals for war, including Moses, Joshua and many of the Old Testament judges who demonstrated great faith in battle. And God destroyed many armies challenging the Israelites. I Chronicles 14:15 describes God striking down the Philistines.

    God even gives counsel to be wise in war. Proverbs 20:18: "Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war."

    Today, America continues to face the horrible realities of our fallen world. Suicide bombings and terrorist actions are beamed live into our homes daily. This serves as a constant reminder of the frailty of our flesh.

    It is apparent that our God-authored freedoms must be defended.

    Throughout the book of Judges, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God's people were called to defend themselves.

    President Bush declared war in Iraq to defend innocent people. This is a worthy pursuit. In fact, Proverbs 21:15 tells us: "It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity."

    One of the primary purposes of the church is to stop the spread of evil, even at the cost of human lives. If we do not stop the spread of evil, many innocent lives will be lost and the kingdom of God suffers.

    Finally, some reading this column will surely ask, "Doesn't the sixth commandment say, 'Thou shalt not kill?'"

    Actually, no; it says: "Thou shalt not commit murder."

    There is a difference between killing and murdering. In fact, many times God commanded capital punishment for those who break the law.

    We continue to live in violent times. The Bible tells us war will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars.

    Until that time, however, Christians must live as Galatians 6:2 instructs: "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ."


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    Rev. Jerry Falwell, a nationally recognized Christian minister and television show host, is the founder of Jerry Falwell Ministries and is chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va
     
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    Amen, Brother -- Preach it.

    The American Soldier deaths in Iraq are equal
    to 17 hours of deaths in the abortion Mills
    of America. But it has taken 2½years for
    the military to suffer those losses.
    But every 17-hours in American we loose the
    same 2,000 persons - killed in theabortionist's
    butcher houses.

    Time for some focus here. Thank you Rivers 1222.
     
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    Amen, Brother Jerry Falwell -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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    Amen, Brother -- Preach it.

    The American Soldier deaths in Iraq are equal
    to 17 hours of deaths in the abortion Mills
    of America. But it has taken 2½years for
    the military to suffer those losses.
    But every 17-hours in American we loose the
    same 2,000 persons - killed in theabortionist's
    butcher houses.

    Time for some focus here. Thank you Rivers 1222.
    </font>[/QUOTE]1Ki 12:32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that [is] in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.
     
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    Anyone who claims that God is pro-war needs to be disciplined by the church. That is an absolute distortion of the God I worship. Maybe Falwell along with his friend GW Bush mistakes the Christian God with Allah, the Moslem god.
     
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    StraightAndNarrow "Anyone who claims that God is pro-war
    needs to be disciplined by the church."

    I mark the complete logical error 'jumping to a conclusion'.
    Nothing said in the quoted post has anything about God
    being pro-war.

    StraightAndNarrow "That is an absolute distortion of the God I worship."

    YOu are correct. I recommend you not use that distortion in
    future debates.

    StraightAndNarrow " Maybe Falwell along with his friend
    GW Bush mistakes the Christian God with Allah, the Moslem god."

    I mark the complete logical error 'jumping to a conclusion'.
     
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    Brother James' folly.
     
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    Tee hee ! [​IMG]
     
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    Yet, Radford is below the line that runs between Maryland and Pennsylvania.

    As a matter of fact, Richmond is above the OK line as well, and we were the capital of the Confederacy.

    Best wishes to you and yours, Ed,
    BiR
     
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    Some of "our people" in high places lack the integrity (walk) to comport themselves in a Christ like manner at all times and seem to find themselves in trouble all too often. They, by their very positions, they are targets for satanic attacks.
     

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