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Faulty Intelligence?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Daisy, Feb 9, 2007.

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  1. Daisy

    Daisy New Member

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    More fuel on the fire:
    Hmm...alternative intelligence assessments...that were inconsistent with the consensus of the intelligence community.
     
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  3. Daisy

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    It is a Pentagon Inspector General's report. Apparently, the White House didn't like the CIA's intelligence report, so Defense undersecretary Feith's office "produced and developed" contrary information.

    Bush took the Defense undersecretary's information over the CIA's. Did he do this knowingly or was he a dupe?
     
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    The entire congress took the 'bait' . . .

    :laugh:

     
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  5. Daisy

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    No, not the entire congress, but most of them thought they were being given real, not doctored, information. Very few believed the president and his cronies would be so heinous as to lie their way into another war as we were already in one with those who perpetrated 9-11.

    Um, you think it's funny Rummy's underling pulled it off?
     
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    Um . . . tells me just how little you do know about intelligence and the intelligence community . . . .

    :wavey:

    Even the French would have disagreed with your present assessment in December of 2001.



     
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    Well not to worry this little bit of entertainment for the masses isn't going to stop them from lying us into the next phase of their clean break war plans.
     
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    There is no evidence that anything was "doctored".
     
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  9. Daisy

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    Well, I guess you might argue that "developed, produced and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on the Iraq and Al Qaeda relationship, which included some conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the intelligence community" doesn't mean "doctored", but you'd just be arguing semantics.
     
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    And yet President Bush came to the same conclusion of the following:


    Former President Clinton
    Sentator Hillary Clinton
    Senator John Kerry
    The European Intelligence community


    When did they agree on this. In 1998. If you accuse President Bush of lying or misrepresenting intelligence then you need to include the list above in your accusations.
     
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    "Alternative intelligence assessments", whether you like it or not, is what "intelligence" is all about.

    Your intentional misuse of the word "doctored" is a deliberate attempt to create the appearance of wrongdoing in order to match your agenda.
     
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    Carpro,

    It is easy to see that with "Alternative intelligence assessments" among the atagonists there has been a lack of 'normal intelligence'.


     
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    What exact conclusion did the above come to and how do you know?

    Did they present "alternative" intelligence reports as evidence of wrong doing to get Congress to pass a war authorization?
     
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    Not to butt in, but ... well to butt in.

    They came to the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs, and we know that because they said it.

    Next question?
     
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    Did they come to the conclusion that al Qaeda was working in Iraq or that Iraq posed enough of a threat (nuclear, WMD) to require and justify a "preemptive strike"? I don't think so.

    More from Voice of America (linky):
    Apparently, George Tenet took the fall for flawed intelligence, but the really flawed intelligence didn't come from the CIA or from the military intelligence division of the Defense Dept.
     
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    Still more from FoxNews (linky):

    If I'm reading this correctly, Feith's "analysis" contradicted the findings on which it was supposedly based.
     
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    As I read the conversation here, that was not what was said they agreed on. I think you are conflating somethings in hopes of strengthening your point.

    Faulty or not, the intelligence Bush acted on when back to at least the middle of hte 90s, and was used by Clinton for airstrikes. It was also used by the IAEA to send in inspectors, who were kicked out and then let back in with limited access. It was affirmed by all the intelligence gathering nations of the world.

    So virtually everyone agreed on the intelligence.
     
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    Or maybe you are throwing in a red herring - this is about the report.
    Besides, you asked, " Next question?" Remember?
    Who didn't, for the most part, think it warranted invasion.

    Who all agreed that al Qaeda was in cahoots with Iraq which was used by the WH to extend the war in Afghanistan into Iraq?
     
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    Clinton thought it warranted air strikes, but that wasn't the subject of the issue about who agreed on what.

    That wasn't the topic. The report says (copied from your quote) Bush and other administration officials warned that Hussein had stockpiles of banned biological and chemical weapons. And Clinton, Gore, Kerry, et al agreed.

    Is that clear?
     
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    It is clear to me . . . and it was clear to 80% of Americans in late 2001.

    Peace to you.
     
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