Fears grow that Obama can't win

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/01/barackobama.uselections2008

    Fears grow that Obama can't win

    Analysts believe white working class Democrats will defect to McCain if Clinton is not the nominee

    Paul Harris in New York The Observer, Sunday June 1 2008 Article historyWith senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party's nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

    Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case - even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

    Obama supporters reject this argument and point to his record of boosting Democratic voter turnout, especially among the young. But sceptics in the party, already nervous about nominating Obama after the furore over outspoken pastor Jeremiah Wright, are growing increasingly concerned.

    There is an element of buyer's remorse in some areas. The question is whether it gets really strong now or in September - or even after the election is over, if he loses,' said Steve Mitchell, head of political consultancy Mitchell Research.
     
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    I believe the fears are legitimate. People are beginning to see the associates of this candidate and the entitlement mentality of his supporters and some within the Democratic Party are beginning to experience buyer's remorse. The tide has shifted in Hillary's favor, although I think it is too late and Obama will win the nomination. Between now and November, when the gloves come off, all of his weaknesses will be exposed and their fears will be realized, imo.
     
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    Unelectable, that's what he is. Unelectable in every way. Oh my Darling,... Wait a minute, I was getting caught up in a song.:laugh:
     
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    The O-man is the new George McGovern.And the Dems will be saying:"O man! Why did we choose him?!"
     
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    I used to think Obama would be the next president. I've given this a lot of thought and observed. It's not only what little has been reported in the press about his "former" church, etc., it's White Women who will feel disenfranchised if Hillary is not the nominee and they will defect to vote for John McCain if Obama is selected. Not only that, there is the NASCAR crowd. The NASCAR crowd represents middle-class America and he will NEVER win them over, never. I use the NASCAR fans as only a gauge of what middle-class America represents - patriotic, pickup trucks, guns, pro-military, pro-life, strong family values.

    Dude won't even salute the American flag.

    Of course, I still believe there will be a race war should Obama not be selected. So the Dems have painted themselves in a corner with their smooth operator who has been indoctrinated for 20 years to hate whites and hate America.
     
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    He ain't the man for the times yet.

    But what do I know, eh ?

    I'm just a brown monkey sometimes kicked around politely by both whites and blacks.

    oh, well.....

    maybe if Obama is elected, maybe that won't happen no moh' ?
     
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    You're not a brown monkey. Don't say that about yourself, please. Personal attacks are not allowed, even about yourself. You're the King's Kid!! :jesus:
     
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    Absolutely unbelieveable!
     
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    Yes, it is, but there would be an angry outcry of disenfranchisement by people already worked up into a frenzy by the likes of Jeremiah Wright et al. I would not be surprised to see it happen.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what really happens if Obama runs for president. Here in Europe people just cannot believe that America would elect an African American. They believe that America is just too racist. I find it rather amusing in that at least Americans will talk about racism. Here in Europe they refuse to face their own racism and prejudices. Everyone seems to hate the Gypsies. If a chicken is run over by a truck the Gypsies will be blames. I have heard the statement, "When it comes to Gypsies Hitler did not do a good enough job." Then that same person will hotly deny they are prejudice or racist.

    It would also be amusing if it were not so sad, but I hear the same things said about Gypsies here that I heard said about Africian Americans when I was a kid ... and occasionally still hear in the States.

    I believe many people vale their racism by dwelling on Obama being a liberal or spreading lies about his being a Moslem.

    I believe America has made progress concerning the races. This will be an interesting time to watch Americans.
     
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    Edited out...changed to PM
     
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    First of all there is no evidence to support the statement that, "Dude won't even salute the flag."

    Secondly, a race war???

    Well, if one truly enjoys living in the State of Fear who am I to ruin their fun?
     
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    The racist elements in American will really come out of the woodwork, but will have to be careful how they hide their racism. As I said in an earlier post it will be a very interesting time to watch ... I hope it will not be a very sad time to watch.
     
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    Yes there is.....caught on tape.

    http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/10/2007-10-01Time-Obama3.jpg

    We'll wait and see what happens, won't we? I hope I'm wrong. Perhaps you believe the Jeremiah Wright message of black liberation theology doesn't resonate among black voters? Perhaps you haven't seen the masses or seen the percentage of black voters who have voted en bloc for Obama in the primaries? They will claim disenfranchisement if Obama isn't selected as the candidate.

    I am not afraid and do not live in a state of fear. I'm certainly not afraid of your barbs, which are uncalled for.

    Agreed.
     
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    Dont be naive enough to think that the DNC want to run Obama. The super-delegates will not choose Obama for the same reason. They fear the radical black element. They are forced into nominating Obama because of their fear of angering and/or alienating the black vote. The only ones who have no fear od this are Bill and Hillary Clinton. Obama will not beat Mccain in a million years.
     
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    Modern day qualifications of a racist:
    You MUST be white American.
    Someone who doesn't believe they owe someone something else because of the color of their skin.
    Someone who doesn't believe in programs designed to promote one race above another.
    Someone who believes that both white and black political candidates should be scrutinized before being elected.
    Someone who believes that no one should have a free pass regardless of what took place in the past.
    And finally, If you do not feel guilty you are a racist.
     
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    I am totally amazed that every election we hear similar talk. And yet, every election inauguration comes, presidents are sworn in, power is peacefully transferred, and things carry on.

    Obama will the the nomination, not because the DNC are being held hostage by the black America, but because he has won it fair and square. He played by the rules. When the DNC decided to punish Michigan and Florida he played by the rules. Clinton did not. He has the most delegates. It is his.

    If he does not pick Clinton as his running mate, or she does not take it, the Democrats are going to be embarrassed in November.

    And the streets will be peaceful on that Wednesday morning.
     
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    I am convinced that Senator Obama will pick Senator Clinton as his running mate. I am aware of the cons of doing so, as well as the pros.

    Personally, I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be a very strong ticket against the Libertarian party ticket of Barr/Root as Senator McCain's campaign pretty much fades away as limited government conservatives refuse to turn their back on their principles and thus abandon him or never come to him in the first place.
     
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    I highly doubt that Obama would pick Hillary as his running mate. I believe that Hillary, although publicly says she would accept it, privately would not want to be second banana to Obama or any other candidate. This may possibly be the reason she is prolonging the campaign and fighting him to the finish, so that he will become so repulsed by her, he would never choose her, opening up the way for a 2012, I told you so, Hillary campaign for POTUS.
     
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    Maybe it's just the third world-er in me, Cutter, but I am intrigued...tickled, in fact.

    What is there to gain in being the POTUS ?

    How much is the pay ? What are the "fringe benefits" ? What are the motivations ?

    I'm thinking of the campaign expenses or "investment" versus the ROI.

    Please do not be offended, anyone.
     

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