Feds raid texas political meeting

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  1. Jedi Knight

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    In a deliberate “show of force,” federal and local police forces raided a political meeting in Texas, fingerprinting and photographing all attendees as well as confiscating all cell phones and personal recording devices.
    This reeks of Obama's buddies. http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/feds-raid-texas-political-meeting/
     
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    A preview of Obama's America.
     
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    Obama wants to be a Stalinist murdering dictator like Castro.
     
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    As a person from Texas, I know a little bit about this group that calls themselves, "The Republic of Texas." They claim to be the only legitimate government in Texas and reject the annexation of Texas into the Union in 1845. As such, they do not consider the federal government as having any legitimate authority and refuse to submit to the authority of the court system or any federal laws. Moreover, they also reject the current state government of Texas and do not yield to its authority.

    They have a very long history of filing false documents and liens against those whom they believe are opposed to them - including public figures and news reporters who do not present stories making them the heroes - that take an enormous amount of time and money to resolve. It sounds like they were up to those old tricks again with a banker and a judge regarding a matter of foreclosure.

    Since the group does these activities together - this is well established for decades - this is a criminal conspiracy. Therefore it is reasonable for the authorities to conduct a raid into the criminal enterprise.

    A better headline for this story would be, "Feds raid Texas insurrectionist group meeting."
     
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    Now for a recap of responses on the Baptist Board!

    Unarmed black man is shot by police while breaking the law = If you weren't breaking the law there wouldn't be a problem! One more thug off the streets!

    Bunch of white rednecks in Texas have meeting raided while breaking the law = "This reeks of Obama's buddies.", "A preview of Obama's America., and "Obama wants to be a Stalinist murdering dictator like Castro."
     
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    One small correction: not "while breaking the law," but because they broke the law.
     
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    I can understand why this group was raided. You can't send false court papers to a judge.
     
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    Well actually you can, you just have to pay the price!
     
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    Exactly!!! This isn't some innocent group of well meaning citizens being persecuted by the government as WND would have us to think.
     
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    Peaceful assembly is constitutionally guaranteed.

    This "raid" went way overboard.

    The documents in question were signed. An arrest of that person may have been in order, but not what took place. Way out of line.


     
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    Then you prosecute the leadership for criminal conspiracy. You don't break into a peaceful meeting, treat people like criminals, violate their 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendment rights, and refuse to show a warrant.

    First of all, you haven't demonstrated that it's a "criminal enterprise".

    Second, even if true. You don't violate the Constitutional rights of the rank and file and of observers and visitors.

    How was there "insurrection"?

    Out of curiosity, would you likewise support General Gage going into taverns and arresting Colonists for discussing whether or not they had rights as free men to disobey unjust laws of the Crown?
     
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    The day is coming when this happens at a TEA party meeting.

    When the police are used as political tools of those in power, it is something to be concerned about.
     
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    I'm curious if they recognize the bars they ended up behind? These fellas are so silly - their "courthouse" was the local VFW hall.
     
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    What the Left is applauding, the violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendment rights of the Texans, is no different than General Gage sending troops to arrest Colonists for discussing whether or not the Colonies had rights as free men or a duty to submit to the injustices forced upon them by the Crown.

    They may applaud this Soviet-style action, but the fact is, the loss of their liberty erodes that of the Leftists, as well.

    Those applauding this Soviet-style action have become the man in Martin Niemöller's famous poem, First They Came:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    The question is, will they speak out before it's too late for you?
     
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    I believe the government is doing just that. If you would bother checking into the history of the so-called “Republic of Texas” you would know that the leadership and those who participate in illegal activities ARE being prosecuted. Among the previous crimes of the group is conspiracy to murder government leaders - include a President of the United States.

    If people are engaged in criminal behavior in the room (and sending out false legal documents demanding that people appear before you as if you are a legal authority is a crime), then it doesn’t matter if the activity in the room can be characterized as “peaceful.” I’m sure lots of drug dealer’s homes are “peaceful.” I’m sure Osama bin Laden’s headquarters was “peaceful.”

     
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    There is zero evidence that such was the case.
     
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    Wait, first, it's about a phony subpoena, now it's about criminal conspiracy? I can't find anything in the news about this being about criminal conspiracy.

    Do you have a link?

    Actually, it matters quite a bit.

    And you know for a fact that the witnesses who claim no warrant was presented are the ones who printed the phony subpoena?

    The problem is that what you claim they've "done over the last 20 years" was not the stated reason for the raid.

    I see. So, since you were there, what were they doing?

    How so? Is that a bad thing?

    The raid, itself, was an infringement on 1st Amendment rights by attempting to cause a chilling effect on speech. The 4th Amendment was violated because no warrant was presented and there was no probable cause. The 5th Amendment was violated because personal effects and electronic devices were confiscated to datamine information without permission, thus depriving the victims of their 5th Amendment right to not incriminate themselves.

    Under what reasonable suspicion?

    Childish ad hom duly noted.

    This is what is commonly known in legal circles as "distinction without a difference".

    Evidence?

    I'm sorry you feel that way. Since you're apparently unable to behave like an adult, I'm going to go ahead and put you on my ignore list.
     
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    Like this?

    "I didn't say they were baptizing, I said they were Baptists."

    You don't see the difference?
     
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    If you don't want to be raided, don't send out fake supenas.
     

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