Filibuster Good Theater but Total Failure

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QF34Q80&show_article=1

    Senate Scuttles Troop Withdrawal Bill
    Jul 18 11:30 AM US/Eastern

    By ANNE FLAHERTY
    Associated Press Writer


    WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Republicans on Wednesday scuttled a Democratic proposal ordering troop withdrawals from Iraq in a showdown that capped an all- night debate on the war.

    The 52-47 vote fell short of the 60 votes needed to cut off debate under Senate rules. It was a sound defeat for Democrats who say the U.S. military campaign, in its fifth year and requiring 158,000 troops, cannot tame the sectarian violence in Iraq.
     
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    Democratic Congress = failure

    Republican administration = failure

    Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.
     
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    Lets understand something. Eeven if the repubs and Dems were to be removed and say Libitarians were to replace them what real change would occur. After being entrenched in politics for so many years even the new guys would be right back where we are.

    The problem isnt the Parties. It is a lack of term limits.
     
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    True, but fresh parties would at least give us a couple of decades or so of decent government. And a couple of decades equals more than half of my expected life span remaining(but maybe I will beat that, if the Lord wills it :)).
     
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    To usurp a statement from the Bush acolytes during the Alito hearings:
    Why can't we have an "up-or-down vote?" That would settle this once and for all. Bush would veto it, and it would simply die.

    Why are the Republicans preventing a simple "up or down vote?"
     
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    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    The democrat are the one preventing that, as they knew they couldn't win. This whole slumber party was for them to have a last chance at brain washing a few more RINO's into joining them. They finally conceded, and a vote confirmed the outcome. It was amazing to hear Hillary, and Pelosi, trying to say the Repulicans were "demanding" a hold out for a 60 vote affirmative. That 60 vote rule has been on the books for 30 years or more. The gullibility of the American voter is totally depended upon by the Dems.
     
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    I didn't realize they were filibustering a judicial nominee. Who is it?
     
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    Where is there a differentiation between the two?
    Like I said, what is wrong with an "up-or-down vote?" You didn't answer the question, despite reproducing what I said and responding to me.
     
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    I really don't expect you to see it with the blinders you wear, but...

    Historical precedent under the Constitutional "advise and consent" obligations of the Senate vs a legislative action by the minority to keep from being run over by the majority.
     
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    Wow: I am wearing blinders? Would you like a mirror? Or would you simply like to expound upon the answer you gave me (that I have already heard from the usual acolytes)?

    Does it stipulate this? Are there any specific mandates with respect to its useage?

    Besides: what is wrong with a simple up-or-down vote? You still haven't answered that.
     
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    You asked for a differention. You got it.

    A little extrapolation on your part will give you your answer to this question.
     
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    Nope - not even close.
    If you are going to bother responding to me, please just answer the question. Your juvenile contumely is simply that.....
     
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    Sorry. You don't make the rules, so stop whining.

    Besides, the answer is there. In your ideological blindness, you just refuse to see it. That's expected and it's OK by me. I'm used to it.;)
     
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    This is simply more contumely to avoid answering a simple question:
    Why can't there be a simple up-or-down vote?

    You can claim anything you desire - simply answer the question if you are going to bother replying to me.
     
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    The problem is certainly the two parties. One thing is if the two parties are gone, so are the special interest groups. The American people can learn from the past and not allow the two new parties become like they are now over time.
     
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    I hear a fly buzzing around.:laugh:
     
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    More contumely, but no answer to a specific question.....
    :tonofbricks:
     
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    I have serious doubts special interest groups will go away because of a party change. Those interests will not go away with parties. The only thing we have learned from history is that we do not learn from it. I believe both parties have value. the dems need to clean house of all the communists and the repubs need to quit acting out of fear of losing an election.
     
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    Both of today's major parties are pretty much done as far as being useful in restoring limited, constitutional government to these United States. It would be better to trash them both and start over.
     

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