Finally the truth about the KJB

The Gospel is not restricted by language my friend. The "good news" is the reality that man's sinful state although it condemns him to hell can be forgiven by belief in the person of Jesus Christ. This reality has nothing to do with language, God IS this good news, not the Words written in your Bible. So really you have answered yor own question. My salvation comes by first hearing the good news, and second by believing on Jesus Christ, not by a particular language that the good news is related to me in.

No. Explain it to me. Thrill me with your acumen.

I have a Proverb for you:

 

No one says otherwise. The issue is whether the Word of God is preserved in one specific language. The Bible is notably silent on that issue, so to say that the Bible is preserved in any speific language is not biblically supportable.

As I've stated elsewhere, for you or anyone to want to use only the KJV for one's personaly study of scripture is perfectly fine, and acceptible. However, to assert that any single version (be it the KJV, NIV, or any other translation) is the ONLY accptible translation for every Christian is not biblically supportable.

 

Wow, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. And this AFTER questioning a person's salvation. Hmmm....

 

I don't confine God at all. All of the events contained in Scripture, all of theology and doctrine expressed within it's pages reflect the nature of God, His creation, and His relationship to it. It is these truths which are His Word, not the language used to convey these truths. If you removed every Bible on earth God's Word remains perfectly preserved because God is His Word-and His Word isn't in English, or Greek or Hebrew, or any other language.

English, but that is irrelavent. The concepts of sin nature and redemption are not English, Greek, or hebrew concepts, they are realities. All language can do is help to convey these realites and express their meaning. The meaning itself is not tied to any language.

That Proverb was intended as a reproof. Your mocking and insulting attitude is intended to rouse anger, and you give yourself away as such when you say:

 

Amen.

 

I believe the predecessors taken from the Koine Greek and the Masoretic Hebrew are superior to any translations that resulted.

A translation should not be concerned if it agrees or disagrees with another translation. It should, however, be concerned with its accuracy to the texts from which it was derived. The KJV is no more or less perfect than other translations. It's good, and in many places great, but not perfect.

I'm not sure what you're implying with this verse. The verse has nothing to do with any biblical translation. The verse says that our spirits, along with the Holy Spirit, testifies to the fact that we're God's children. I don't doubt that you're a child of God. I don't doubt that you're saved. I support your right and privilege to use and study the KJV as your primary and sole source. I'm sure that the Holy Spirit speaks to you via the words in the KJV. But don't presume that the Holy Spirit doesn't speak as clearly in other translations to other people as well.

I'll say it again to be clear: for anyone to want to use only the KJV for one's personal study of scripture is perfectly fine, and acceptible. However, to assert that any single version (be it the KJV, NIV, or any other translation) is the ONLY accptible translation for every Christian is NOT biblically supportable.

 

The Bible forbids us from questioning a person's salvation. You may not think you were, but you were. You're free to take the issue up with God.

 

Hey, I'm all for open debate and discussion, which includes disagreement. That's why I'm here on the board: To share differing ideas and learn from them. I have no prolem with the fact that you and I disagree on the KJVO topic.

I'm not in favor, however, of condescending verbage tossed to a person who disagrees with you, something which you're guilty of.

 

Note that, rather than recognizing one's inappropriate behavior, you choose to accuse me of doing what it is you deny that you're doing.

No, you're not condescending at all.

Now, if I directed hostility towards you, I humbly apologize for my behavior. For now, I'm bowing out of this conversation. I'm teaching junior high youth tonight. Feel free to continue your hostility towards me as you see fit...

 

I've not once attacked your person jokingly or otherwise. So would you care to substantiate this claim?

Doesn't this illustrate my point? If language could accurately express intention and meaning 100% of the time, there would never be misunderstandings, and certainly no disagreements over doctrine.

The Proverb has nothing to do with weaponry. It has to do with those who promote strife and contention. Those who speak words of diviseviness and say "but I was only joking" are likened to one who casts firebrands, arrows and death. You want everyone to believe your insults are nothing more than playful banter, but everyone including you knows the real intention is to distract and anger.

I don't claim to be any mre Heavenly minded than you or anyone else. Heck, I made an artform out of sarcasm, but at least you'll see me admit it when I make those kinds of comments in a heated debate.

Another perfect example.

I would never even imply such a thing. I only speak against the notion that God's Word is perfectly preserved in the KJB or any other translation.

 

QS,

Tsk Tsk Tsk,

You "will question" his salvation???

I'm not doubting your fidelity to the Word - you're ready and able to dress up a Pauline verse with an arrowhead and shoot it straight at another brother hurtfully. I suggest you go back and READ the Gospels again. Jesus' life in the bible is NOT just a series of verses to be memorized and quoted - it's an EXAMPLE of how to live!!

It hurts me to say this... but if I were a lost person looking at you as an example of a Christian - I do not think I'd want what you have.

Let's be civil, and CHRISTLIKE.

 

The shoe didn't fit. You made an inappropriate comment.

But the definition in the greek words are found in the context and the word. Without knowing that, you are ill equipped to decide what it means.

Jesus is very redundant in his teaching. I don't even know how you can make this statement.

Again, you are not making sense. Context doesn't kill the MVs. The MVs are the word of God whether you like it or not. When you attack the MVs you are attacking teh word of God.

Those who know what they are talking know that this is not true. The KJV is a fine translation but it has some bad translational choices in it.

Because as God said, in the last days men will grow worse and worse.

My hypothesis is the hypothesis that every orthodox believer in church history has operated from. It is the hypothesis on which the apostles used the OT in their writings. It is you who is outside the bounds of historic orthodoxy. All you need to do is study to find out your position is wrong.

A great many of them are. In fact, there are more souls being won from MVs today than from teh KJV.

English.

It isn't. Both "de" and "alla" are usually translated as "but." But they have different meanings. To read your English version, you have no way of knowing whether the word "but" is "de" or "alla." You should know this before taking such a dogmatic stand ... or you should at least allow yourself a graceful way to acknowledge that you are wrong. You keep digging this whole deeper.

Lots of study and reading on the topic. Knowing something about it has enabled me to see through this "arguments" you are putting forth. They just don't work.

I don't see so much expertise in what you believe, rather the opposite. I see alot of words thrashed about, alot of denigration due to our disinterest in your logic and then your attempt to defame us when we already know where we stand on the KJB.

I haven't used Strong's numbering in more than 10 years. I use actual lexical resources such as BAGD, NIDNTT, TDNT, TLOT, EDNT in the NT and BDB, TDOT, NIDOTTE, TLOT, KB and TWOT in the OT. BibleWorks 5.0 does most of the searching to make it easy, but if I need to use a concordance, I have Evans-Shoshan for Hebrew as well as the Hebrew English and the Greek English for the NT. The bottom line is that I am operating out of actual lexical resources used in translation. If you would avail yourself of these resources your faulty presuppositions would very quickly come to light.

I haven't lied the first time, much less again. If you would check your facts, you would know that. Don't accuse me of lying. You are getting out of hand with these off base charges. You are attacking people in appropriately. You need to set aside your biases and get to the facts of the matter. Deal with reality.