finite SINNING punished with INFINITE torture?

We have texts such as Matt 18 and Luke 12:50-57 that show sin to be finite and the debt owed for sin to be finite. But as for your "infinite sin" idea - nothing in all of scripture. Hence you provide nothing in your comment to support that idea.

It is certainly instructive for the reader who pays attention to the details.

In Christ,

Bob

 

My position is that Christ died once for all - one atoning sacrifice for all of time - and that his sacrifice pays the accumulated REAL debt of owed for each sin committed by each person in all of time. A very large and finite debt paid once for all by a very large and finite payment.

By not even following the discussion points you simply pronounce victory over your own post without actually addressing the points raised.

I think there are some on this board for whom those tactics do work - I am just not one of them sir. (But of course you already knew that -- so back to the point of the OP)

The language "Not for OUR SINS only but for the sins of the whole world" SHOWS an aggregation by definition the accumulation of each debt owed. Your nonsensical idea above fails to allow for the text.

Please try again.

In Christ,

Bob

 

It is true that the wicked are dead for all of eternity - "destroyed BOTH body AND soul" Mat 10:28... but it is not true that the man-made tradition regarding "infinite torture" is being promoted there.

There is no mention either of "eternal torture" OR of "infinite torture" in all of scripture sir. Simply repeating man-made tradition is not the sam thing has having Bible support.

In Christ,

Bob

 

indeed each of the deeds they have done.

as 2Cor 5 says to "given an account for the DEEDS done in the body whether they be good or evil".

As Matt 18 points out - a servant had worked up a SPECIFIC debt - a LARGE debt but not an infinite debt. That debt - that EXACT debt is forgiven in the Gospel of Grace according to the instruction of Christ in Matt 18.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Instead of all getting the same punishment of "infinite torture' the Bible says that each one pays according to his own debt of sin --

Luke 12
45"But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;

46the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

 

Making stuff up is not a compelling form of information exchange sir. Why do you keep doing it AS IF it would fool someone here?

I claim that the Atoning Sacrifice IS COMPLETED at the Cross (for the zillionth time). Each time I see you post without actually quoting the point in question - I have to go back to the actual data and there I find that there is a "Reason" you are simply 'quoting you' to accuse someone else.

I appeal for you to consider a return to truth and integrity - Please follow the points raised and respond to THEM instead of just making stuff up.

In Christ,

Bob

 

My argument is that Rev 10 SHOWS that the wicked burn "IN The PRESENCE of the LAMB and of the Holy Ones" including the saints in Rev 14 "Who follow the Lamb wherever He goes". You seem to be ignoring the text as it suits your views sir.

I also argue that the wicked ARE tormented as Rev 14 says - but the text does not say "infinitely tormented" nor does it say "tormented eternally".

It is literally true sir - even the details there to which you do not approve.

As for Matt 10:28 GOD tells us there that in fiery hell "BOTH BODY AND soul are DESTROYED".

As GODs Word tells us in 2Peter 2 speaking of destruction by everlasting fire 'DESTRUCTION by REDUCING THEM TO ASHES".

You keep saying that to quote this fact of God's Word rather than to consistently IGNORE this part of the Word is not to " line up with the Word of God".

But how can you keep arguing that only IGNORING the Word of God is "lining up with it"???

What kind of logic is that sir??

In Christ,

Bob

 

INSTEAD of thatThe argument is that the atoning SACRIFICE is COMPLETED 2000 years ago at the cross.

Christ is doing the high preistly work PREDICTED in Lev 16 - the shadow that POINTs to the Heb 7-10 reality of Christ's High Priestly work. But in that work Christ does not die nor does He suffer for sins- for He died "once for all' 2000 years ago as the atoning sacrifice for ALL sins.

Rather Christ engages in the work of High Priest - that results in "Judgment passed in FAVOR of the saints" as God tells us in Dan 7:22!

In Christ,

Bob