Fire the Neocons

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22104

    Fire the Neocons, Fight the War
    by Jed Babbin

    EXCERPT

    We as conservatives understand that Islamic terrorism cannot threaten us significantly without the support of nations. We are impatient with Mr. Bush's neo-Wilsonianism because it allows the enemy and its apologists to control the pace and direction of the war. We are unwilling to allow the prosecution of this war against the terrorist nations to be delayed for however long it takes for Iraqis to sort themselves out. It is impossible for them to do so while neighboring nations -- Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia -- actively interfere.

    Conservatives don't want to be caught in the web of failed nostrums of Vietnam. We won't wait for Islam to be reformed or to win the hearts and minds of the mullahs in Tehran. We don't consider Islam unreformable; but we understand that it is unreformable by non-Muslims. And we understand that the only way to spur Muslims to accomplish that reformation is to break the hold radical Islam has over a growing number of nations.

    Fire the neocons, Mr. President, and reject their theories. Turn your thinking back to October 2000. Order Gen. Petraeus to do what is necessary for now in Iraq, and turn our military and intelligence establishments’ attention to the nations that surround it.

    Stop thinking about how to not lose. Think about how to win.
     
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    Excellent post, I agree, but .........It won't happen
     
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    Fire the 'neocons'???

    Unless I'm greatly mistaken, "We, the people" will have our chance to "hire" and/or "fire" any and all the elected officials (of whatever flavor) in Washington (as well as in most states and local governments), a total of several thousand, with only 66 (or 67, not sure which) Senators and a few hundred other state and local officials excepted, 14 months from now.

    FTR, we cannot "hire" or "fire" George W. Bush and/or William J. Clinton, as President, as both are prohibited by the US Constitution from holding this office any longer, whether or not we happen to like or dislike either or both of them.

    (We could 'elect' {Snort!} either one of them as 'First Lady'!) :tongue3: :laugh: :laugh:

    KY actually gets a leg up, here, in the "Hiring and Firing" department.

    We get to "hire" and/or "fire" our KY Constitutional officials, in only another two months! :thumbs:

    Ed
     
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    Carpro,

    What's a neocon?
     
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    I'm not carpro, but I'll help ya' out! :thumbs:

    "neocon" n. 1. a pejorative term describing some 'styled' as "conservatives";

    One person put it this way:
    Works for me! :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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    I don't know. I'm not sure anyone does.

    Some posters here describe me as one, but it can't be. I can't be a "new" conservative. I've been one my entire adult life.:)

    You got any ideas?:confused:
     
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    I got a few, yeah.

    Carpro,

    What's a conservative?
     
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    :rolleyes:

    Ed
     
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    You don't think he can answer that one without incriminating himself either do ya? :thumbs:

    Ed,

    What's a fascist?
     
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    What's a neocon?

    What are your "few" ideas?
     
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    A socialist!

    BTW, the "rolleyes" was directed at the general tone of this thread, not at a particular response. I'll even give myself a :rolleyes:, here, even though I have given the correct answer - no?.

    Ed
     
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    I think people who voted for this administration should be apologizing to America and
    using the tactic of losing 'thier words' is putting more money into a money pit. I think we should back off in Iraq . I don't get from any of the major candidates that we are totally leaving that area but I think we could draw down a good 80% in fact it will
    lesson the violence and start involving all parties , then we could really win in Afghanistan and finally kill Osama Bin Laden.

    http://www.godtube.com/
     
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    But Bush is in office more than one year longer. We certainly can "fire" him before he does the Republic any more harm due to his gross incompetence.
     
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    I wish our Congress had the guts to do so.
     
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    ED I think that you are greatly mistaken,we really don't have the opportunity to hire or fire any longer,due to the electronic voting machines ,and the fact of the matter is this Your next POTUS has already been decided in TURKEY this year at the Buildiburg conference.I know that I have opened a huge door thru which even now you are storming and scheming an attack,so feel free.

    But don't continue to act as though you don't know this to be true.

    Unless american does as II chronicles 7:14 suggests all will be lost.:godisgood:
     
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    They have neither the guts nor the grounds.
     
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    And they'll never have grounds as long as the executive branch can hide behind executive privilege and national security. Won't it be grand when Hillary can take her turn abusing the powers her husband and the Bush's have usurped in the name of liberty and freedom?
     
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    Oh you will surely see people on this board kick and scream about how she is damaging the country and how she should be kicked out of office and all that jazz!

    Not once will you see any of these people on the right, on this board that have been standing up for Bush state any of the "cute quotes" they have been stating over and over again on this board..

    "She's the President and like her or not you should respect the office of POTUS."
    "She has every right to defend that by claiming executive priviliage<sp>."
    "She didn't start this war, it was the 'bad' men that started it, she is just finishing it"

    Etc Etc etc...

    I don't want Hillary to win, I want Ron Paul to win, but if Hillary Clinton does win, I really expect to see the support from the Right that has been demanded of for Bush.

    Somehow... I doubt it will ever happen, but time will tell....

    Jamie
     
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    I dunno, she's been keen to play kissiepoo with AIPAC and would have no problem nuking Iran for "our" securities sake so the Bush 20 something percenters would probably support her even if she were a liberal crossdressing illegal alien. It's all about killing muslims and taking their stuff now.
     
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    Wrong...the correct answer is a corporatist.

    : the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction.

    Such as we have in the USA today. Globalization is the chosen vehicle of the transnational corporatists. :)

    Benito Mussolini was a famous corporatist, who said....

    “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

    I reckon Mussolini would feel right at home in these United States today. He'd probably even get a hero's welcome. Especially if he promised to nuke Iran "back to the stone age". Hillary Clinton will be a dandy corporatist, aside from her liberal/socialist/one world agenda I think the former corporatist Bush supporters will warm up to her as a little time goes by.

    After all...

    They've already gotten pretty good at making excuses for Bush's liberal/socialist/one world agenda. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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