Fired for Freedom of Speech?

Discussion in 'News / Current Events' started by Salty, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. Salty

    Salty
    Expand Collapse
    20,000 Posts Club
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,126
    Likes Received:
    220
  2. JonC

    JonC
    Expand Collapse
    Lifelong Disciple
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    6,966
    Likes Received:
    371
    Since she was wearing the t-shirt of her employer at that time, I don't know. Maybe. If anything, it wasn't the brightest move on her part.
     
  3. thisnumbersdisconnected

    thisnumbersdisconnected
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2013
    Messages:
    8,448
    Likes Received:
    0
    The story says the sign "implied Native Americans are bad tippers." You have to be an overly sensitive Native American on a self-hate jag to leap to that conclusion. The sign would say to me, "We're busier than heck. Help!"

    The restaurant manage where the young lady worked posted this on Facebook:

    When an employee decides to make an a** of him or herself they can now do it for all to see. Sadly, for reasons unkown to me, often times bitter employees also try to embarass the employers and taint the businesses where they work. Clearly a recent post by a now former employee fits this description.

    So she can't have a little fun on a busy weekend, but he can call her an a**?? Really?? What a buncha nonsense!
     
  4. JonC

    JonC
    Expand Collapse
    Lifelong Disciple
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    6,966
    Likes Received:
    371
    The Bible says “don’t bite the hand that feeds”… ok, no it doesn’t. But whoever said it was one smart guy. :D
     
  5. thisnumbersdisconnected

    thisnumbersdisconnected
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2013
    Messages:
    8,448
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm still not convinced she "bit" anyone's hand. :tonofbricks:
     
  6. JonC

    JonC
    Expand Collapse
    Lifelong Disciple
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2001
    Messages:
    6,966
    Likes Received:
    371
    We don't have to be. Her employer, on the other hand...
     
  7. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,225
    Likes Received:
    615
    No. Freedom of speech is the right to say anything you want about the GOVERNMENT without consequences, not the right to say anything. It's not complicated.
     
    #7 InTheLight, Sep 11, 2013
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 11, 2013
  8. Scarlett O.

    Scarlett O.
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2002
    Messages:
    9,835
    Likes Received:
    115
    She's standing in the kitchen of the restaurant - with her tee-shirt/uniform on. And she doesn't imply anything.

    She's states with clarity that it's Pow Wow weekend - and that her tips are less than ten cents and five cents. I don't know how much clearer she could have been.

    Was she trying to be rude? I highly doubt it. She just wasn't using good judgment. But her message was clear. Did she a "right" to say it and post it online. Sure. Did he have a right as her employer to fire her over it. Yes.

    Freedom of speech is not the "right" to say whatever you whenever you want and pay no consequences.
     
    #8 Scarlett O., Sep 11, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2013
  9. Salty

    Salty
    Expand Collapse
    20,000 Posts Club
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,126
    Likes Received:
    220
    Say what? you have got to be kidding.
    Its leagal for a cop to lie to a suspect, even though nothing is said about the govt.
    Otherwise, execpt for liable and lying in court - we have the freedom of speech.

    What law did this waitress break: Stupidy. There are things I would like to say about employers I have worked for - but as I tell Mrs Salty, "I may be dumb - but I ain't stupid!"
     
  10. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,225
    Likes Received:
    615
    Next day on the job tell your boss you don't work with Native Americans. Exercise your free speech. See if it keeps you employed.
     
  11. thisnumbersdisconnected

    thisnumbersdisconnected
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2013
    Messages:
    8,448
    Likes Received:
    0
    She didn't say that. She didn't even insult Native Americans. Her sign stated she was "a server at Famous Dave's on Pow Wow weekend." That's all it says. It doesn't say "N/A's are bad tippers," and it doesn't say anything negative about either Famous Dave's or Pow Wow Weekend.

    Her former boss is apparently a PC-sensitive boor who needs to get a real life and offer the girl her job back. And she should say, "No thanks. I won't work for you anymore, but thank you very much."
     
  12. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,225
    Likes Received:
    615
    I know she didn't say that, but I offered up my example as a way for Salty to exercise his "freedom of speech rights". The point is that the government cannot regulate speech but employers sure can.
     
  13. Salty

    Salty
    Expand Collapse
    20,000 Posts Club
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,126
    Likes Received:
    220
    First, I work for the Oneida Indians - Not native Americians

    Second - there is some speech that employers are not permitted to restrict.
     

Share This Page

Loading...