Flu News and Connections

Discussion in 'News / Current Events' started by windcatcher, Nov 15, 2009.

  1. windcatcher

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    He promotes natural health but pushes vaccines. Does Dr. Oz disclose his enthusiasm for vaccines may be 150,000 option shares of vaccine stock?

    Are vaccines as effective as we've been told? Side effects? Vaccinated, then sick? Documentation here....what you aren't told.

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    No doubt the swine flu is very serious for some who get it. The first death of a child just recently announced in this area. But MSM (mainstream media) bounces back and forth.... who has the vaccine, who doesn't, reports of outbreaks, hospitalizations, deaths, panic, and national emergency, and reports that some guidelines are relaxed from those originally established so that as vaccine becomes available- those in risk group and those who want the vaccine can get it, regardless of formulary.

    Just consolidating what is known and what is being said FYI.
     
  2. donnA

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    the people working so hard to convince the rest of us to get untested vaccines are making more money based on ther number of people they can convince to get these untested vaccines.
     
  3. windcatcher

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    So true, donnA. Although it is possible that Dr. Oz's stock may be in a vaccine company which is out of the loop in vaccination against the swine flu, a strong advocation for vaccines when coupled with the use of MSM to build fears and the virilance of other deadly diseases add to the public's perception of stock value, and may prepare them (the public) for positive reception of other vaccines which are experimental.

    You mention 'untested' and that brings up an important point: Vaccines in the past are reported to have undergone test with animals and a test group in the human population. So many different companies have been involved in bringing this vaccine to the public, each with different formularies for producing the virus, methods of trying to interrupt its virilance while preserving its markers for the body to recognize as foreign and fight it as alien... for immunity...and the preservative and carrying agents. Normally, when people are given an experimental drug, their is disclosure to them of possible adverse effects, a routine set up for examining and assessing their experience, and an evaluation of other health issues which may occurr to see if there is a pattern suggesting causation. An informed consent is signed which includes the experimental nature of these trials and means of follow-up and methods of reporting questions and problems without waiting for a formal interview with a study representative.

    While signed consent is quiet common when receiving vaccines, it appears that this is not happening in every situation, particularly where school children are getting mass innoculations. While we have had the governemts word that squalene and mercury would not be in the formulations delivered to our people, their more recent position, after exposure that the doses supposed to be ready for those who wanted it, did not make production schedule, they are willing to relax the standards to allow vaccinations with vaccines which are available...... Because they don't specify what is being relaxed in order for our country to have sufficient doses, we have no way of knowing the company origin of our vaccines or the formulation. So many of us trust our doctors and medicine and the government agencies which are supposed to protect us from harm, that we accept what we are told about the safety and track record of vaccines and the products and ways that they are made without delving deeper and making an informed decision based upon more than what they choose to tell us.

    We and the people of other nations are essentially being ginea pigs in this experiment of swine flu vaccination. I hope the best for those who take the vaccine....... and for those who don't, I hope the measures of hygiene to prevent contagion and other health practices are sufficient to keep their immune system peaked for a successful fight should they contract the flu. Since the government is now the gateway for reporting adverse effects and keeping statistics, I'm not sure that we'll get the turth of the full measure as to the safety or the efficacy of this vaccine. Providers including the companies which are producing the vaccine have been given immunity from suits arising from having taken this vaccine. Some disorders, such as autoimmune diseases and neuropathies may be so slow in showing that if caused by a specific vaccine, it still may be improbable to prove.

    What is clear is that this is a personal choice for each individual to make and it should not be a decision forced upon people by the government.
     
  4. Johnv

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    We're several months into the current flu season, and people are still buying the "flu vaccine is dangerous/untested" nonsense? Talk about ignorance.
     
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    Not sure what strain I had, but I was pretty sick for about 36 hours.. low grade fever, upper respiratory congestion, and no energy. Back to about 75% after 3 days. May rake leaves this morning, but probably no golf for a few more days.
     
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    Interesting, isn't it.

    I am beginning to wonder why the media is not reporting more on H1N1deaths. A doctor in our congregation has spoken of them and of ones in his practice, but no one seems to being told about these deaths in the media.

     
  7. Johnv

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    Are you kidding? It seems that every time a person dies of H1N1, the media is reporting it. What they don't seem to be reporting much of is the fact that flu season death so far are well within normal: According the the CDC, about 4,000 to 5,000 people die from the flu from April to November. So far, the number is 3,900. Well within normal.
     
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    My sentiments exactly. I'm not sure how CTB could possibly think the piggyflu is being underreported...
     
  9. windcatcher

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    When God makes you responsible for telling other people how to care for their bodies...... then you have the right to judge what 'nonsense' they lack. Until then, may I cordially suggest that you stick with what you do know and your opinion about it and give others room to express their opinions and knowledge without characterizing them as being stupid or ignorant.



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    For what its worth.....
    Have you had courses......
    in human anatomy?
    Head and neck anatomy?
    Comparative courses requiring disection of a cadaver?
    Pharmacology course?
    Organic chemistry course?
    Radiology course?
    Normal and therapeutic Nutrition?
    General psychology?
    Abnormal psychology?
    Human growth and developement?
    Normal and Pathophysiology?
    Microbiology?
    Public Health, Hygiene, and Advanced First Aid?


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    On your resume....
    Can you say that you've worked in the medical field?
    That you had access to professional journals and could read them with understanding?
    That you've ever been actively involved in a professional organization with sufficient involvement to hold office for a district in your state and to see the inner workings of politics from within the organization?
    That you were raised indoctrinated in what you were supposed to believe and accepted that for a long time..... but somehow, prossibly by the mercy of God, your mind was kept open for thinking and trying and proving all things until somehow you realize that not everything told or taught or receiving recognition is truth..... but much 'so called truth is manipulation and appeal, particularly to your emotions for the benefit and advancement of someone or something other than yourself?
    Do you really think it is wise to believe everything people tell you just because they are experts.......? Who is responsible for YOU? Not other people and what they say or their influence can be responsible for YOU. YOU have to be responsible for your own decisions.... and how well you do that may depend on how busy or willing you are to be led by others then you are to think for yourself and use your own knowledge, research, and the wisdom God gives you.

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    For a long time I accepted what I was told by the medical establishment BUT I retained my curiosity to learn and read and think for myself....... and have come to realize that in most of the health care industry are many busy...(almost too busy) people dedicated to helping others that they don't have time to devour the literature or season their confidence with skepticism. Experience is formed in trials and errors, and assessment takes reflection and time. Drugs are developed, tested, then approved, then taken off the market due to under reporting or insufficient data to reveal defects which make them more hazardous than the risk they were supposed to remove. Do you think the people who received these prescriptions and die are ignorant or would think questioning is nonsense, if they could make their choice over.

    That is why I don't tell you what to do..... that's your problem and responsibility. But I can say that if Paul can speak to women and say 'doth not nature teach' and speak of sin and the knowledge of God...... that the heavens and all that is in the earth is a witness to the godhead..... is it not easy to question that an invasion of our bodies by a foreign substance by a route which does not normally occur after the manner in which we are made may be against the very way we are designed. Doesn't the Bible teach against mixing of the species, and weaving one cloth with another of different content?

    All a vaccine is is a risk taken in the hope that it will insure us against a greater risk. (Where is faith in this, if we don't even take the time to examine for ourselves?) Either way our immunity is challenged..... but the time to vaccinate is before an epidemic. If in the middle of an epidemic you are vaccinated.... your body is challenged by the vaccine and may already be in the proceess of being challenge by the same invader by a more normal route. The double whammy puts one at higher risk than either one if taken separately. This is known and in the literature, and an honest doctor will admit this. But, if, a vaccine is unproven, then you are taking an unknown risk. You don't know if it will prevent anything. You don't know if it will have immediate or latent adverse effects. You don't know and I can say with all certainty that YOU DON'T KNOW...... because if you did, you would be the one featured on MSM and telling all the people the evidence and tests..... something which hasn't been even completed by the industry making it.

    But like I said earlier, the choice is an individual one, and it is one's responsibility to choose who or what they believe.

    I would do my best not to misinform a brother or sister.... but I can't say I'm worthy of unquestionable trust. So, if you should question those in Christ in whom thei love of the savior is also extended, even to you...... how much more should you be willing to question those secular sources which bring information to you, expecting an action on your part but who have no relationship to you and motives easily hidden, and may themselves be innocent purveyors of deception?
     
  10. Johnv

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    The nonsense is not contingent upon persons caring for their bodies as they see fit. I support 100% every persons responsibility to decide for themselves on whether they want to vaccinate themselves or not. The nonsense in question is the "flu vaccine is dangerous/untested" claims. There have now been literally millions of H1N1a vaccines administered, and millions of recorded results to study. The results to date show that the "flu vaccine is dangerous/untested" claims are unfounded, and, indeed, nonsense.
     
  11. Revmitchell

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    Your dealing with hyper-Pseudo intellectualism. your rebuke is a waste of time.
     
  12. Johnv

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    I thought you abhorred infantile namecalling. Then again, given your propensity to ignore facts altogether, it makes sense that you would refer to any objective look at the facts as "hyper-pseudo intellectualism".

    The cold hard facts are that there is no data to support the claim of the H1N1a vaccine being either unsafe or untested. None.
     
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