Foley murder video 'may have been staged'

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    Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered

    The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged.

    Forensic analysis of the footage of the journalist’s death has suggested that the British jihadist in the film may have been the frontman rather than the killer.

    The clip, which apparently depicts Mr Foley’s brutal beheading, has been widely seen as a propaganda coup for Islamic State miltant group.

    But a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
     
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    Does it really matter? Front man or actual killer is a moot point. ISIS is the enemy. Foley is dead at the hands of ISIS, period, full stop. We don't have the time or resources to go and try to single out each member of ISIS for their individual crimes. We will go after them as a whole and eliminate high value targets when possible.
     
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    Fresh doubt has been thrown on the narrative behind the James Foley beheading video after a Syrian government spokesperson claimed that the American journalist was killed by ISIS militants a year ago.

    Following the release of a video last week which purported to show the murder of Foley, top forensic experts concluded that the footage was staged using “camera trickery and slick post-production techniques,” concurring with Infowars’ analysis that the video was highly dubious given that it was immediately used as justification for military strikes on Syria.

    Official Syrian government spokesperson Bouthaina Shaaban has now complicated matters further by asserting that Foley was in fact murdered by Islamic State militants a year ago.

    “James Foley was first arrested by the Free Syrian Army and he was sold to ISIS [an earlier name for the IS]. You can check with the UN…James Foley was killed a year ago, not now, they only released the pictures now, but he was killed a year ago. We have definite information, the UN has the information,” said Shaaban.

    The claim contradicts the narrative that Foley’s family received a letter on August 12 from ISIS militants threatening to execute the journalist if Barack Obama gave the green light for air strikes on Islamic State militants in Iraq.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/syrian-government-james-foley-killed-a-year-ago.html


    "Foley is dead at the hands of ISIS, period, full stop."

    Can you verify this?

    "ISIS is the enemy."

    This month, last month Washington was sending them money and weapons. Assad was "the evil enemy" last month, this month Washington wants him to be an ally to help fight the people he told Washington were terrorists in the first place, aka the same people Washington was so keen to fund and arm so they could topple Assad! Turns out Assad was right and the people Washington was so keen to fund and arm are indeed terrorists!

    "We will go after them as a whole and eliminate high value targets when possible."

    Who's "we"?

    Gee, I hate to keep asking the same question but "cui bono"?

    I mean who benefits from spending all this time and tax money funding and arming the same people "we" later have to spend even more time and tax money to destroy?

    What kind of a "foreign policy" is that? A profitable one if you happen to be a big military contractor with ties (large campaign contributions) to congress.

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    Wait. Didn't Foley's last words actually reference the U.S. Air strikes made just two weeks ago. Your own story said he was sold to ISIS where he was killed a "year" ago.
     
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    Can you verify that the man in the video was actually Foley?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCkz7gzeQYM

    For that matter can you verify that the "Russians have been firing artillery into Ukraine"? No one else has been able to but that still seems to be the media driven "consensus" despite the noticeable lack of evidence.

    Speaking of evidence. What's the one thing you're going to have gushing out when you sever the carotid artery?
     
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    I know we are all supposedly Baptists but seeing is believing you know what I mean. I'm not watching that video by the way. I have sincere concerns about people that flock to these horrific things. I've seen the transcripts of his words and I've read the narratives. I have no reason to watch the act. The description was horrfic enough.
     
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    So was the Nick Berg "beheading video" used to justify another military intervention not all that long ago.

    The answer is blood, lots of blood. Which for some reason unknown to modern science was absent in both "beheading" videos.

    We have the media going around quoting Marie Harf, Chuck Hagel, Obama, the Ukrainian government and repeating their allegations against the Russians. That would be all fine and dandy except for one little detail.

    They never show any evidence to back their many allegations.

    I don't know about you but that tends to make me skeptical of anything they say now. The fact that the Obama administration has proven itself on many occasions to be a group of unrepentant liars doesn't help their "credibility" much in my book either.

    On the other hand there is ample evidence that Washington, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and even Jordan were funding, training, arming and supporting hordes of Islamic Jihadis in order to topple the Qaddafi and Assad regimes.

    The question is, are you going to believe Washington and it's many many unfounded allegations or the evidence?
     
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    I simply have no idea what you are talking about here or where you are going with this. What in the world does the situation with Ukraine have to do with ISIS killing Foley? You know what. Nevermind. I'm done here. I should have known better than to chase the rabbitt down the hole.
     
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    It has to do with proven liars and all their lies.

    So, I'm going to take it that you're going with the mainstream consensus instead of the evidence.

    I kind of figured that would be your choice. Why be different right?

    Sorry, I never should have tried to get you to you think on your own. It was rude of me.
     
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    But that is just the problem with you and your ilk that comb through Infowars and listen to Alex Jones make millions while preying on your fears. They don't have evidence. They thrive on coincidence and string together enough truths to frame their fear induced theories.
     
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    You know if you had left out "Alex Jones and Infowars" people might have mistakenly assumed you were talking about Washington and the neocons. Their stories get scarier and more far fetched by the minute. :smilewinkgrin:

    Okay, let's stick to the evidence then.

    What evidence do you have? In other words, what makes you believe this video is what it's reported to be?
     
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    Q: Who is the man in the video?
    A: That is James Foley. (Even his familiy confirms this)

    Q: Is he dead?
    A: Quite dead. (His family again can confirm this)
     
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    Okay but, what evidence do you have? In other words, what makes you believe this video is what it's reported to be?
     
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    I feel we no longer have anything to discuss. Sometimes Occam's Razor has to apply ya know.
     
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    I thought Foley was killed using a knife, not a razor. Sheesh, it's hard to keep up...

    :tonofbricks:
     
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    But how do we know it was a knife, what if it was actually a switchblade? The mainstream media would like you to believe it was a knife because Obama is going to use his secret Soldiers to come for your knives (after he rounds up all the guns of course) and throw you into a FEMA camp where you will be implanted with a microchip (we know this as the mark of the beast) and force hydrate you with fluoride infested water. Open your eyes man!
     
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    All I wanna know is what happens to my barrels of rice?
     
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    No, you really don't want to know. Trust me.
     
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    I agree here. Numquam ponenda est pluritas sine necessitate. "Plurality must never be posited without necessity". Or, in today's vernacular, "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...". I see no reason to come up with explanations why the video was staged when it seems very clear it wasn't.
     
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    And yet we have "experts" in the mainstream media saying the video was staged.

    But let's just forget all that and rely on our own expert opinions.

    Because . . .

    We all know more about this video than the experts that analysed it. Even if we haven't actually watched it.

    Because . . .

    Anyone who questions the official story has to be nuts. I get it.
     
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