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For By Grace Are Ye Saved

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by OldRegular, Oct 20, 2009.

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  1. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    AMEN! And only GOD is able to do that!
     
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    You are consistent Allan, Consistently incorrect.

    I praise GOD daily for HIS salvation of me. If it makes you happy to say that GOD forcibly saved me, so be it. I believe, and Scripture teaches, that, while I was dead in trespasses and sins, GOD made me spiritually alive. HE then gave me the gift of FAITH whereby I could accept all that HE has for those who belong to HIM.
     
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    GOD through the Apostle Paul describes the will of the unregenerate man as follows:
    Romans 3:10-18
    10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    12. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    13. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    14. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
    15. Their feet are swift to shed blood:
    16. Destruction and misery are in their ways:
    17. And the way of peace have they not known:
    18. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
     
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    Then why does one respond and another not? Did GOD give one a little more "Will to Receive GOD Than Another"? Doesn't that make GOD unfair?
     
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    Now based on your own reformed arguments I want you to take a look at your own statement and see if you need to revamp it.
     
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    This is a common thought among many non-reformed persons. The problem with this idea, however, is that it make man neutral--neither good nor bad. But the scripture clearly tells us that the state of man is not and cannot be good.

    By the way, this is why I also reject the idea of double predestination. Your thought above and the double predestination position seek to make man neutral.

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
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    Not sure how you came to this neutral position but it is far from the truth. One does not lead to the other.
     
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    I have never accused GOD of being unfair. It is you Arminians who do when confronted with the Biblical Doctrines of GRACE. The fact is that were it not for GOD's electing some to salvation no one would be saved.
     
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    I do not hold to a "neutral" position. You are correct that it is far from the truth. I think you are holding to a neutral position. You said: The ability to go one way or the other is in everyone and given at birth.

    This is pretty much a position of neutrality--that man is born neither good nor bad.

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
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    Salvation through grace is given to those who make the decision to accept it through Jesus Christ. However, it is not just an acceptance, but a turning to a new life in Christ. If there is no change in the person's life, no discipleship, no following, regardless of the price, of Christ it is 'cheap grace' and thus not grace at all.
     
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    Crabtownboy,

    What a GREAT statement. This is true regardless of which system of theology one holds to. Even as a Calvinist, I believe that man must make a decision to accept.

    I think we see far too many Calvinists thinking "I'm saved so it doesn't matter what I do." That is far too close to the arrogance of the Old Testament Jews. Also, I think too many Arminians think of salvation as the end of the battle when it is really the beginning.

    Thank you for this important corrective to both sides of the theological divide.

    Blessings,

    The Archangel
     
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    That's stupid. That's not salvation at all.
     
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    First I did not accuse you of accusing anyone of anything. Second, I am not an Arminian. As far as election we both hold to it but define it differently.
     
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    Its not neutral and not sure how you came to that conclusion. Ability does not speak to neutrality only decisions.
     
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    Then why do some make such a decision while others do not? Aren't all tainted by inherited sin? Aren't all dead in trespass and sin? Is the Bible incorrect when it states:

    Romans 3:10-18
    10. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    12. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    13. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    14. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
    15. Their feet are swift to shed blood:
    16. Destruction and misery are in their ways:
    17. And the way of peace have they not known:
    18. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
     
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    Isn't he just explaining that the Jews were just as much sinners as the Gentiles?

    Rom 3:21 NIV - But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

    Rom 3:22 NIV - This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,

    Rom 3:23 NIV - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    Rom 3:24 NIV - and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
     
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    And that covers everybody!
     
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    Because they have faith.
     
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    This is a standard question for Calvinst to ask. It should be answer but those of us who are not Calvinist know full well any answer we give is not going to be accepted.

    The reason some believe and others don't is because they don't.
    The reason some don't believe and some do is because they do.
    Both have the same 100 percent capacity of will to not believe or believe.
     
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    Why do some have faith and others don't? Is having faith good? Romans 3:12 states: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
     
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