For those scoffers who scoff about martial law in the US

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  1. LadyEagle

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    and Executive Orders.....interesting read....

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83977

    Can it happen here? I have always said "yes" but some here have scoffed and laughed and said I'm a fear monger. Maybe the thought isn't so laughable lately? Hmmmm......
     
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    Not only CAN it happen, I believe it will happen eventually.

    All we need is one little scare to hype people into a frenzy so they can have an excuse to control us "for our own good." I wonder what will happen to our gun rights then?
     
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    How did the FDR Administration justify putting Japanese-Americans into concentration camps at the out break of WWII, did they use Martial Law?
     
  4. JustChristian

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    It has already happened. For example, Jeb Bush quickly declared martial law in Florida on 9/11 even though there was no obvious danger there.

    Jeb Bush Signs Martial Law EO
    Four Days Before the Attack on the Pentagon

    Martial Law in Florida
    A Revised State Constitution

    http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/florida/092401a.html

    UPDATE, September 21, 2001 - On Friday, September 7, Florida Governor "Jeb" Bush signed Executive Order No. 01-261 which states, in part:

    "I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations. This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003." This Florida EO places the Florida National Guard [which is not a lawful militia], a unit of the Federal U.S. Army, in control of all Florida law enforcement [State FDLE, County Sheriffs, and local PD's] and the Florida Emergency Management Agency [Florida's FEMA under federal FEMA control]. This took place four days before the World Trade Center disaster.

    On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, Pres. "G.W." Bush was in a Sarasota, Florida classroom reading a story about a pet goat when his Chief of Staff whispered in his ear about the WTC "terrorism". Rather than attend to this national disaster, "G.W." continues to read the goat story to these second grade children and then, 30 minutes later, makes a brief statement to the press. More about this odd behavior can be read at The Obscure Goat Story.

    Governor "Jeb" then signed Florida Executive Order No. 01-262 immediately after the second WTC tower fell. Florida was the first STATE to declare a "State of Emergency" and did so before New York State or the Federal Washington City leaders did, yet there were no "terroristic" incidents that had taken place. Florida EO 01-262 states, in part :

    "I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida... The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity... The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency... The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State; The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities... I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency."

    There is no declared expiration of this Florida Executive Order. In case you haven't figured it out yet, Florida is now under martial law and will remain so until this EO is revoked. We tried to warn the people of Florida about this in 1998 when our State Constitution was changed in order to allow this to take place [see below].
     
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    Whoever wrote this must have missed the part of the FL EO where is says, "This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003." So according to the EO it expired on June 30, 2003, or if it was revoked by another EO before that date.

    Where did you get this quoted material from? I ask because the end of it sounds as if it was written by a mistaken FL resident.

    Likewise, a reasonable person would have to admit that it is more likely than not that this EO was put into place in preparation for the 2001 hurricane season given the date of it enactment. But, if you want be a CTer go right ahead. This raises the question of whether or not any other Governors of hurricane pron states have signed similar EOs prior to hurricane season?
     
  6. JustChristian

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    The point wasn't when this EO expired but rather when it was written, four days before 9/11 and when it was signed, just after the second tower was hit, before any measures were taken by New York or Washington even though Florida wasn't affected by the attacks.

    This is the wording of the EO. It didn't have anything to do with hurricanes.

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    EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
    01-262
    (Emergency Management)

    WHEREAS, on September 11, 2001 a combination of persons unknown carried out a series of terrorist acts resulting in the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City and an explosion at the Pentagon, costing the lives of many persons and resulting in injuries to many more; and

    WHEREAS, the scale of the destruction and the coordination, orchestration, and timing evident in these acts of terrorism suggest that they may be part of a larger pattern of acts of terrorism;
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    NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution and by the Florida Emergency Management Act, as amended, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

    Section 1.

    Because of the foregoing conditions, I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida. I further find that the precautions needed to protect the State from a recurrence of such terrorist acts require a coordination of efforts by a number of agencies, and that central authority over these activities will be needed to ensure such coordination.

    Section 2.

    I hereby delegate to the Department of Law Enforcement the operational authority to coordinate and direct the law enforcement resources and other resources of any and all state, regional and local governmental agencies that the Department may designate to take the precautions needed to protect the State of Florida from terrorist acts. I hereby place all law enforcement resources under the operational authority of the Department of Law Enforcement while this Executive Order remains in effect, and I hereby designate the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement as Incident Commander for this emergency.

    Section 3.

    I hereby designate the Interim Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency, and as my Authorized Representative. In exercising the powers delegated by this Executive Order, the State Coordinating Officer shall lend all available operational support to the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement, and shall confer with the Governor to the fullest extent practicable. In accordance with Sections 252.36(1)(a) and 252.36(5), Florida Statutes, I hereby delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the following powers, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency:

    The authority to activate the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan;
    The authority to invoke and administer the Statewide Mutual Aid Agreement, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources under that Agreement so as best to meet this emergency;

    The authority to invoke and administer the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and other Compacts and Agreements existing between the State of Florida and other States, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources from such other States that are made available to the State of Florida under such Compacts and Agreements so as best to meet this emergency;
    The authority to distribute any and all supplies stockpiled to meet the emergency;
    The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity, to include, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any and all statutes and rules which affect budgeting, printing, purchasing, leasing, procurement, and the conditions of employment and the compensation of employees; provided, however, that the State Coordinating Officer shall have authority to suspend the effect of any statute, rule or order only to the extent necessary to ensure the timely performance of vital emergency response functions;

    The authority to relieve any and all state agencies responsible for processing applications or petitions for any order, rule, or other final action subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, as amended, from the deadlines specified in that Act and in other applicable laws for the duration of this emergency, if the State Coordinating Officer finds that such deadlines cannot be met because of this emergency;

    The authority to direct all state, regional and local governmental agencies, including law enforcement agencies, to identify personnel needed from those agencies to assist in meeting the needs created by this emergency, and to place all such personnel under the direct command of the State Coordinating Officer to meet this emergency;
    The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency, subject always to the duty of the State to compensate the owner;
    The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State;
    The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities; and
    The authority to designate such Deputy State Coordinating Officers as the State Coordinating Officer may deem necessary to cope with the emergency.

    Section 4.

    I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

    Section 5.

    In accordance with Sections 252.36(5)(a) and 252.46(2), Florida Statutes, all statutes, rules and orders are hereby suspended for the duration of this emergency to the extent that literal compliance with such statutes, rules, and orders may be inconsistent with the timely performance of emergency response functions.

    Section 6.

    I hereby give all agencies with employees certified by the American Red Cross as disaster service volunteers within the meaning of Section 110.120(3), Florida Statutes, the authority to release any such employees for such service as requested by the American Red Cross as needed to meet the emergency.

    IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed, at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 11th day of September, 2001
     
  7. JustChristian

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    What I failed to add was that Jeb Bush extended this EO four times to extend until June, 2007.

    STATE OF FLORIDA
    OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR
    EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 06-146
    (Extension of Executive Order 01-261, as Extended by Executive Orders 03-114,04-110 and 05-112)

    WHEREAS, by Executive Order 01-261, as extended by Executive Orders 03-114, 04-110 and 05-112, the Governor extended the Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.28, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

    NOW THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the State of Florida, do hereby promulgate the following executive order:

    Section 1.
    Executive Order 01-261, as extended by Executive Orders 03-114, 04-110 and 05-112, is hereby amended to provide for an extension for a period of 12 months, until June 30, 2007, or until such earlier time as this Executive Order is amended or rescinded by further executive order of the Governor.

    Section 2.
    Except as amended herein, Executive Order 01-261, as extended by Executive Orders 03-114, 04-110 and 05-112, is hereby ratified and reaffirmed.

    IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set
    my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of
    Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this
    22nd day of June, 2006.
    _____________________________________
    GOVERNOR
    ATTEST:
    ____________________________
    SECRETARY OF STATE
     
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    I don't want to derail my own thread, but what link are you using for proof as to when it was written?
     
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    a little misleading isn't it,,,,

     
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    Would it have made any difference if he were reading a story about sheep?

    I know some think Bush is Superman but I doubt he could have gotten to New York in time to intercept the second plane; Perhaps the one that hit the Pentagon but!!!!!:laugh: :laugh:
     
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    Please tell me how posting about martial law being actually declared within the last ten years in America is "derailing this thread?"
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    For those scoffers who scoff about martial law in the US
    and Executive Orders.....interesting read....

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83977

    Can it happen here? I have always said "yes" but some here have scoffed and laughed and said I'm a fear monger. Maybe the thought isn't so laughable lately? Hmmmm......

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    I don't understand your logic (most of the time).
     
  12. LadyEagle

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    My logic: I was thinking about a national level when posted the OP. Not just one state and nothing to do with 09/11 in particular or President Bush.

    Will you please provide a credible link for proof to your allegation that the EO in Florida was authored 4 days before 09/11? Otherwise, we will just blow it off as more left-wing propaganda and nothing relevent to this discussion. Thanks.
     
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    Lady Eagle, I've been hearing these rumours and concerns about martial law since just before the passage of the patriot act. I don't believe many Americans are aware that one of the first acts of an executive, whether President, Governor, or of a company is to review threats and position for contingencies. In the past, disasters were mostly natural and with exceptions of something like earthquakes or volcanic erruptions, came with some warning and anticipation, like changing weather and predictions of ice storms, hurricanes, floods.

    The title of this thread is somewhat ambiguious but the content of the thread to which it links is more specific.

    What seems surprising and may present a question of coincidence is the action of Florida governor just days before 9-11. The hurricane season in Florida starts in June but is usually mild until about August or September when it begins to intensify. Not having access to the weather records of that time, it may be that the season was realivatively light but a tropical storm configuration in the tropics off Africa, or South America, might have trigered the governors' awareness that he needed to have a contingency plan in place which already put on notice which agencies would be involved and what he expected of them in the event a disaster hit and he had to declare martial law.

    Having such an executive order in place so that agencies are already specifically notified of their expected participation and the range to which they may be expected to act in the event of a catastrophy, is not that unusual as it gives them time to consider their own preparation and it makes for more efficient communication in an emergency.

    The states are supposed to exercise first rights of authority over the order within them..... at least through 9-11: When Katrina hit, it seems there was a slowness to act....... and right or wrong, the Federal government took the blame. This is not meant to be part of the discussion here except to remind folks that Katrina is an example of where the Gov of La. had executive powers over her state, and she deferred judgement to the Mayor of New Orleans to determine both his preparedness for a disaster and control over his district and knowledge of his resources or lack thereof. His input was a deciding factor in determining if and when an evacuation was proclaimed. New Orleans was still preparing for a tourist draw and [email protected]@s*xual Event schedule for the day after Katrina hit: Although people across the country were already proceeding in that direction to give relief to whereever Katrina hit.... the request from the Mayor, the Governor, came late, and the Federal agencies were not as prepared or responsive as they should have been. Its late to wait until the midst of a disaster to determine the integration of various enforcement and relief agencies to coordinate their tasks and responsibilities, establish their boundaries, and arrange for their communications between each other, and to prevent duplication of some duties and ommissions of others.

    The executive orders of the President, seem to be broader than any before given: He has placed them in such a way as to take immediate effect upon his own order and decision. It is frightening to think that he can have so much power, yet if an event monstrous were to occurr to demand it, it can be comforting that his communication can be immediately demanding of responsiveness of the agencies under his direction. The concern most any citizen may have is whether there is sufficient oversight or boundaries built into the plans so as not to become unnecessarily abusive, or excessively controlling of the population which they purpose to help...... that and the fact that it doesn't intergrate with the general population in participating in their own contingency plans and knowing and using their own resources.
     
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    From the article:



    Underlined are some of the 'players' /enforcers concerned with reporting this.
    Bold is the type of force, the conditions projected to cause their use.
    Italicised is the agenda these people wish to enforce.

    In other words..... we can expect troubles compounding from the present economic conditions, deteriorating to social unrest over housing, jobs, availability of food, ........... and tax demands...... building to social unrest and excuses to impliment martial law.... targeting both individuals and 'groups' (wonder how they will be or already are profiled).

    It is possible that everything would proceed orderly and fine (along with the loss of our sovereignty and liberty) if the people in America were willing and cooperative in accepting a financial system restructured to benefit everyone rather than a small elite, based upon how this elite group.... i.e. the IMF.... has planned.

    What this simple little phrase does not state: The power of the IMF to call in the debt on our nation...... and the resultant chaos that can mean, and our weakness to fail in enduring difficulty and accept enslavement under new government.
     
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    Don't worry! Our Masters just stole a Trillion or so and got away with it. They will not stir the pot as long as there are still trillions left to steal. When half of us are on the soup lines, that's the time to worry.
     

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