For those that drink alcohol

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  1. Gina B

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    I was very surprised to find that in the state I currently live in, it is not illegal for a minor to drink in their own home. Minors may possess one low-point beer if they are under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian. While the law seems to say that the parent cannot buy it directly for the child, it does say that a minor may purchase it him-herself under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian.

    The one rule does seem in direct conflict with the rule that says a minor can have alcohol in a private setting without parental consent.

    I think it's .02 blood alcohol limits for minors who drive. I have no idea how much alcohol it takes to reach, well, any level so no idea how much that might be. Adults are considered DUI with a .08

    But my point...it's legal here for a kid to have a beer with what they call a low alcohol content. It's still alcoholic.

    Again, FOR THOSE WHO DRINK!

    Would you have a problem with giving your kid a drink in the privacy of your own home?

    Would you allow your child to "try" a few sips of alcohol in the hopes that they'd think it was nasty and not want to try it again, or so that they'd get that curiosity out of their system while under your supervision rather than trying it with someone who may be untrustworthy or may encourage them to keep going even if they didn't like it?

    Again, this is for those that do not think a social drink here and there is wrong, and since alcohol is legal once you're 21, please don't try comparing it to anything illegal. If you live in a state where it is not legal for a minor to drink, then answer from the mindset of "if it was legal here then I would/would not, etc..
     
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    I believe in removing the taboo and mystery of things like this when it comes to my kids. It helps limit problems later.

    Many places allow minors to have alcohol for religious reasons, as well as in limited cases like mentioned in the OP.

    We use wine when we have Communion at family dinners. I don't have a problem letting them try other drinks.
     
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    Its a right of passage in my family. We have all imbibed....Italians generally drink wine at dinners, Slovaks drink Slivovitz Plum Brandy in the morning as an eye opener & the Welsh, well a shot & a beer! :laugh:
     
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    I think much of the perception of Alcohol is societal. To an extent, it's looked at differently here in the States than in Sweden, Germany, and other parts of Europe where it's not viewed to be as much of a taboo.

    In my mind the concept of alcohol as a forbidden fruit, leading to problems, is reasonable.
     
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    There are several factors involved but generally this is the rule of thumb.

    Generally, one drink (12 oz beer, 8 oz wine, or 1 shot of liquor) will give a person at weight of 150 lbs - a BAC of about .02 - A person weighing 300 lbs would have a BAC of about .01 with that one drink. Gina who weighs 75 lbs would end up with a BAC of .04 with one drink.

    In addition - it takes about one hour for the body to process and dispose of one drink.

    Same thing in NY - a minor (under the age of 21) would be DWI for any amount of .02 or above.

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    disclaimer: The info above is a general statement and should not be used as a legal defense for any alcoholic related incident. A person should consider advice from a state license attorney.
     
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    I believe the scripture allows it.

    However whether I do imbibe or not depends upon the local church I attend and the sensitivity of the other brethren.

    My father's side of the family (Italian) used wine and gave it to the children as part of the evening meal. I never remember anyone getting drunk. In fact they were strongly opposed to over indulgence.

    The strongest thing I allowed my children was bubbly cider from the apple cider mill when we lived in Maine.

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    Pilots' rule of thumb: 8 hours bottle to throttle.
     
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    Salty, they sell something called low-point beer here. I'm not totally sure how it works. Until last week, I just thought beer was beer. LOL Then, when looking at the laws, I found out that beer has a wide variety of alcoholic content. Low point is considered under 3.2%, and there are variations in that. There are brands out here and the exact same can/bottle will be lined up by how much the alcohol content in. The same brand, same packaging will look the same, but they obviously list the % of alcohol and they are lined up lowest to highest.

    I'm assuming this is something new. Prior to being a believer, I did do some bar tending and never knew such a thing existed, but maybe it didn't then. Or...not so new and that was kind of a long time ago. LOL

    Okay, how long has this been done for?

    Also, another question that doesn't have much to do with it, but I've always been curious about. If people drink a little, it's obviously for a reason - the effect. Why do people bother with beer, especially this low point stuff? I feel "full" if I drink a whole bottle of water. I can't imagine drinking two whole bottles of water close together, let alone these people who drink a number of beers. Why not just drink a little bit of something with a higher alcohol content instead and save yourself from feeling uncomfortably full and having to go to the bathroom ten times? I've never seen anyone taste beer for the first time and like the taste, and it kinda smells like skunk cabbage, if you've ever been near a stream and smelled that.

    I'd still like to keep the thread on track, but just wondering if there really is anyone out here who gets that. Thinking about bars, I wonder if people don't consider it "really" drinking if it's beer. So I guess it kind of does relate to the question. Maybe out here, they don't consider it as underage drinking if it's just beer, and low point beer at that. I guess if it was a shot of liquor, it would seem a lot more questionable.
     
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    Many people drink, and they enjoy it for reasons other than the effect. There is a lot of science and art that goes into crafting a good beer. The same is true of wine and liquor. Typically a higher quality beverage will also have a higher alcohol content.

    It has been generally accepted that certain wines go with certain foods. There has been some discussion of doing the same with beers. There are also drinks that go well before a meal, and some after a meal as a digestion aide.

    Since being in Germany I don't waste much time drinking the usual American beers. I will not reject one from a host and I do use them for cooking. I prefer craft beers or microbrews. Sam Adams has some seasonal beers. We also have some local microbrews.

    I readily admit I got spoiled when I was stationed in Germany.
     
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    It wouldn't be the first time I heard that. Germany appears to have the lead on beers! As for the stuff out here, I never smelled/saw much of a difference when serving.

    Now, as far as cooking - that's really what got me thinking about it. I was making a beef stew and looking up recipes and came across some that used beer, so I kept reading it and getting into the science of it and on a link, that got me looking into the laws in our state, and that got me - umm, I get distracted really easy.

    The thing about crafting makes more sense. Guess it's just not that common to find anything much different from the next in the places I've been around alcohol at.

    Well, I think there was in Canada but I wasn't interested in it and didn't look much, just remember thinking what was offered in places looked/smelled different than what I'd seen in the states.

    Gotta wonder how it got started though. I can understand fruit fermenting, smelling sweet and looking interesting and people going "hmm, let's try this," but grain? Maybe it was some innate knowledge and not an accident.

    Getting distracted again....lol.
     
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    Yeah, my first taste of wine as a child, that I remember, was during "communion" when I went to temple. At my first communion in a Christian church, I thought the individual little glasses were cute but remember thinking "I can't drink all that!" (using the cup for all, you basically just touch it to your lips, not gulp!) and then figuring out it was juice and not wine and being relieved.
     
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    My first taste of alcohol was as a sailor in the Navy, that I remember, was during shore leave when I went on liberty. I thought the little shot glasses were cute, but I remember thinking, "I can drink that." Twelve shot glasses later, I had to be carried back to the ship, and boy, did I wake up with a headache.
     
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    I can tell by the tone of the discussion that we have reached a new freedom.
    Catholics can now eat meat on Friday.
    Jews can eat pork.

    Baptists can drink in front of each other.
     
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    looking at where the Church is in Europe, I would think they would be the LAST ones we would want to emulate in any manner. Perhaps because the Church is DEAD over there might explain why it's not viewed so much as taboo.
     
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    I do not drink so have no real feeling one way or the other about the issue. It serves no purpose not to talk about it. If one cannot make a Biblical case for abstinence, then I cannot see how it is a new freedom to either drink or not drink. Abusing alcohol is without a doubt a sin. So is abusing ones body by stuffing 4000 calories down it a day, and so is gossip. One of the reasons I was not a big fan of scraping the old bylaws and Constitution in favor of the Southern Baptist Faith and Message was that this document does not have a reference to drinking that the old document did. I do not think the congregation realized that. In other words, if one wanted to get technical, we removed the requirement about abstinence.
     
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    I was not referring to the Church in Europe. My observation was about society at large.
     

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