For those who didn't vote

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  1. Pastor Larry

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    For those who didn't vote, this is why it was important:

    http://www.observer.com/20061120/20061120_Jason_Horowitz_politics_newsstory1.asp

    You stayed home and made your political point to the Republicans, and have possibly cost a long term change on the court. Now the rest of us have to suffer because of your selfish thinking. The Republicans deserve to lose on economic policy and domestic policy. Unfortunately, we needed some intelligent people in the Judiciary committee. Now we are stuck with Schumer who has declared his intent to have an activist legislative court.

    Hope you enjoy it.
     
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    The current batch o judges is heavily favored towards Republican nominees. While Chuck Schumer is a bad man, I can't imagine what difference another Republican nominated judge will have. The bench has been a republican bench for some time now. The executive branch has been Republican for the past 6 years. Until recently, both the house and senate were Republican. Those that care about Christian issues effectively won right? They put all the players in office that supposedly represented the Christian cause. However, even with all of these players in place, Roe v. Wade still stands and the United States continues to murder 1.3+million babies each year. It is past time to focus on what is Christ and what is antiChrist rather than focus on partisanship. We are suffering for a lack of knowledge and a lack of repentance, not because people stayed home and didn't vote for the lesser of two evils.

    Chief Justice
    John Roberts - Nominated by Bush 43 - Republican

    Associate Justices
    John Paul Stevens - Nominated by Ford - Republican
    Antonin Scalia - Nominated by Reagan - Republican
    Anthony Kennedy - Nominated by Reagan - Republican
    David Souter - Nominated by Bush 41 - Republican
    Clarence Thomas - Nominated by Bush 41- Republican
    Ruth Bader Ginsburg - Nominated by Clinton - Democrat
    Stephen Breyer - Nominated by Clinton - Democrat
    Rehnquist - Nominated by Reagan - Republican
    Samuel Alito - Nominated by Bush 43 - Republican

    Recently retired -
    Sandra Day O'Connor - Nominated by Reagan - Republican​
     
  3. Not_hard_to_find

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    As one who didn't stay home -- perhaps if the Republican president had pushed the agendas that twice voted him into office, there would have been a greater response.

    Perhaps if Republican house and senate members had not acted so scandalously, there would have been a greater response.

    Perhaps if Republican secretary of Defense had not been so arrogant as to ignore reality as well as knowledgable advice, there would have been a greater response.

    And that's just the short list.

    Petulance does not enhance losers.
     
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    ==O, please :BangHead: . If you really think the republicans could do anything then you have not been paying attention the past several years. They had the White House and both, I repeat, both houses of congress. All they managed to do was become part of the problem and not the solution. Neither party is good for this country because both of them are part of the problem. If you voted republican, or democrat, you voted for America's problems to continue.

    ==Conservatives, like Falwell and Dobson, want an activist court as well. They just want a conservative activist court. Are you in the same boat as they?

    I am not. I want a court that will rule on the existing law and not get "ideas" from the laws of other countries or "so-called" international law (whatever that is). I also want a court that will "ONLY" rule on existing law I don't want a court that will invent laws. The republican party has not given us a good court.

    O, and yes, I stayed home on election day. Why? Because there was not ONE person running I could vote for without getting sick to my stomach.
     
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    Who appointed them matters not at all.

    It is how they interpret the Constitution and make rulings that determine their ideology.
     
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    Possibly the only thing that Bush can be said to have done categorically well is place constructionist jurists on the court.

    The idea that one more on the Supreme Court would be meaningless might be a convenient salve to your conscience... but it simply isn't true. One more would have been a huge difference for future issues. It would have set the stage for a well funded group to attack Roe v Wade at its corrupt core. Someone could have challenged and probably would have won on the legal definition of "life".

    Traditionally, Republican presidents had assented to liberals and to the Bar Association. They operated on the idea that jurists should be placed based on their career qualifications and not their judicial philosophy. That notion has created alot of problems and bad rulings/law.

    One of the reasons that Bush has been so viciously attacked by the left is that he didn't to this. He demanded that his appointees be "strict constructionists"... IOW's if it doesn't say it that does not mean you have the authority to write your opinions between the lines as if it did say it.
     
  7. Pastor Larry

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    But here is what you guys ignore. With Republicans there is a chance of a decent nominee. With Democrats there is no chance. Isn't some chance better than no chance?

    The fact that the Republicans have done a bad job on most things is not at issue. Of course they have. But there were things at stake in this election and too many people did not take it seriously enough.
     
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    The next POTUS will replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Who replaces her will affect this country for longer and more deeply then any POTUS could. If we can get another Roberts like person on the court then things like abortion and infant stem cells could die for many years.
     
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    Doesn't matter because anyone who goes against the system will be blown away like Bobby, Martin, and John.
     
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    Ditto


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    Never forget, it was a Republican Supreme Court that decided Roe v Wade.

    http://www.missionariestopreborn.com/default.asp?fuseaction=supremecourt

    BTW, I did vote, only because of the same sex marriage issue on the ballot in Tennessee, which did not pass. We turned out here in great numbers because this issue was on the ballot. And the Republican candidate for Senate (who replaces Frist) won the election.

    The Republicans lost the election because the Republican Party has proven to be just as corrupt as the Democratic Party and because of the war in Iraq. The people sent a message to Washington DC. They serve us. We don't serve them. I'm glad the American people aren't as stupid as the politicians think we are.
     
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    Pastor Larry's point was that those stay at home to teach the Republican congressmen something, have probably forever decided to continue abortions and continue the downward spiral into the moral cesspool that the liberals have for America. They absolutely had to have control of the SCOTUS in order to accomplish it. They got it. You Christians that went to a third party for whatever nobel reason are just as guilty. The SCOTUS was THE issue for the future, and we could have dealt with the naughty Republicans later.

    I am not pretending to speak for Pastor Larry.
     
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    Supreme Court Judges are not not political, neither Republican or Democrat. However every person who has political opinions are either conservative or liberal or some point inbetween.

    The majority of the justices that decided Row may have been appointed by Republican POTUS but they were not conservatives. We have seen that before.

    I dont think Roberts or Alleto would have voted for Row. I may have been suprized but based on their stated opinions I think they would have left it a state issue.
     
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    I voted, Pastor Larry! :thumbs:
     
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    I was pretty much agreeing with Pastor Larry. I was also pointing out that it is not to late 2008 will be the POTUS that nominates the next justice. The one that will keep the court with the same ballance or shift the balance to a conservative court.
     
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    Hopefully, we are starting to see a swing back to conservative values. Please take note that the majority of Democrats who replaced Republicans in this election were pro-gun, pro-life, and pro-marriage.

    As a voter, all I can do is vote my conscience, and I do think it is important to vote. What I am waiting to see is if Evangelical Christians will cast their votes behind Rudy Guillani (should he win the primary for 2008), even though he is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage and anti-guns. The labels of Republican or Democrat really mean nothing. Whether or not the person has a conservative or liberal world view is what is important, IMO. I cannot vote the lesser of two evils, which is why I voted for the CP last presidential election.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree with Senator Schumer: I am still a little mad that they did not fight harder to at least try to keep Alito from being confirmed.

    Seems to me that the turnout was pretty good. Here in Richmond, we had a substantial turnout to vote for Webb (my precinct went HEAVILY for Webb). I would argue that enough people were upset to tip the scales in favor of the Democrats.

    Despite our political differences, I trust that all is well with you and yours,
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    Rudy is going to get grilled for his personal life.

    Hope you and yours are doing well.

    BTW, are you cheering for Tennessee, Vanderbilt, or neither?

    BiR (Tennessee graduate)
     
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    Absolutely unbelievable. Why do you wish he had not been confirmed?

    I am glad the Republicans lost for so many reasons. I look forward to a return to gridlock. But at the same time, putting the judicial appointments in the hands of men like Schumer, Durbin, and Leahy is disgusting. These men should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately, they are too brazen.

    I think the role of the Senate is to find out if the guy is qualified. Unfortunately, men like Schumer, Durbin, and others want to find out if the judges agree with them. That is simply wrong. They are using their advise and consent role to make law from the bench.

    Take the stare decisus concern. They are all for it ... but stare decisus would have left segregation in place. Stare decisus is not good judicial work. It is a cop out. But these men are not concerned about that. In judicial hearings, there should be no questions allowed concerning court cases and how one might role. Questions should be directed at preparation (training and experience) and character. There is absolutely no reason to ask a judge how they might rule on a case.

    Sincerely back to you. I am away from home this week and missing my 7 month old like you wouldn't believe ... and my wife too ... but I get to talk to her.
     
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    The reason for supporting stare decisus at this point in time is to hold on to Roe vs Wade. If an opposite ruling were in place, the support would not exist.
     

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