Four dead, including shooter, at Ft. Hood

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    What makes this particularly haunting is this, which was on FoxNews.com yesterday (April 1):
    Early this morning, the Kansas City FBI issued a statement that they knew were Hassan was, and he was "no longer a threat." So is the shooting today a coincidence? Or was there a larger plot? Getting dangerous living in this country these days.
     
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    Hmmm...

    Kinda hard to believe what they have to say about whether or not it was terrorism.

    After all, the last time this happened, the Obamanites classified what was obviously a act of terror as "workplace violence".
     
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    The shooter was a 34 year old Specialist, Ivan Lopez. He was assigned to a transition unit for soldiers in need of medical attention prior to either being discharged or returned to their units. The trigger seems to have been a personal conflict between him and another soldier. The lockdown has been lifted and all personnel are now free to go home.
     
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    Wait for it....
     
  5. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    This from the White House correspondent for The Washington Examiner ...

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    Kinda says it all about this idiot -- the erstwhile CiC, that is, not the shooter.

    Then there's this ...
    Clinton signed the executive order in 1999 that made U.S. military bases subject to federal gun laws, meaning soldiers, who are more highly qualified than almost anyone to carry firearms, can't carry them on-post. Who's running this country, anyway, lab rats?
     
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  6. poncho

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    In a way, yes.

    Lt. Gen. Mark A. Milley acknowledged that Fort Hood gunman Ivan Lopez was taking psychiatric medication before the shooting, underscoring yet again the clear and consistent connection between mass shooting incidents and SSRI drugs.

    http://www.infowars.com/army-admits-fort-hood-shooter-was-on-psychiatric-drugs/
     
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  8. poncho

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    Yep it's just terrible how the truth always seems to pop up just when you least want to hear it. Isn't it?

    A June 2010 internal report from the Defense Department's Pharmacoeconomic Center at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio showed that 213,972, or 20 percent of the 1.1 million active-duty troops surveyed, were taking some form of psychotropic drug: antidepressants, antipsychotics, sedative hypnotics, or other controlled substances.

    Dr. Grace Jackson, a former Navy psychiatrist, told Nextgov she resigned her commission in 2002 "out of conscience, because I did not want to be a pill pusher." She believes psychotropic drugs have so many inherent dangers that "the CENTCOM CNS formulary is destroying the force," she said.


    http://www.nextgov.com/health/2011/01/militarys-drug-policy-threatens-troops-health-doctors-say/48321/

    I guess a problem isn't a problem if the corporate media isn't talking about it, right?
     
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  9. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    Except there is no truth in the linked article. Let me know when you find some.
    Your idiot article then goes on to claim Ambien/Zolpidem, which is a sleep medication, not an anti-depressant, causes "accidents and aggressive outbursts." It links an article detailing horror stories about "sleep driving" and food binging, posted on the web in 2012.

    Epic fail. The article neglected to point out that the users of Ambien/Zolpidem experienced these behaviors were uniformly abusing the medication, or using it against physician recommendation with other medications, such as anti-depressants, side effects of which the Ambien/Zolpidem exacerbated. But of course this conspiracy-theory favorite of yours leaps to illogical conclusions. Lopez hadn't been diagnosed with any mental health disorder as yet, therefore he would have been made available a prescription to help him sleep, and yes, Ambien/Zolpidem is an SSRI.

    I'll tell you more, if you can actually tell me what "SSRI" stands for, and what that description means.
     
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    So what you're saying is Lt. Gen. Mark A. Milley (he's the one talking in the video) is either a liar or an idiot or both. Okay, I guess you'd know more about what he knows than he does.

    Pssst . . . don't look now but your arrogance is showing again. :rolleyes:
     
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    I take that to mean you can't explain what an SSRI is, yet you've posted speaking out against the alleged "dangers." Don't you see that as being a tad disingenuous?
     
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  12. Salty

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    Just a point of clarification. A Specialist is an enlisted man - with the same pay grade as a Corporal. The only difference is that a Specialist is not in a leadership position.


    May our prayers go out to the family of the shooter and the victims.
     
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    I don't know his history, so he may have just joined the Army late. But to be 34 years old, and be a SPC, he may have had some discipline issues anyway. This could be why he possibly had a vendetta against other soldiers. Just a theory.

    Another possible theory is that the PTSD he was suffering from led him to take some actions he would not have otherwise engaged in, and he might not have known where he was. This, to me, seems more unlikely though, as he would have had to bring the weapon on post hours before this happened, showing some premeditation.

    I am stationed on Ft Hood. Luckily, I am on leave this week. I was at home just outside of post when this happened. It was pretty intense though. Sirens were going off, with a voice saying, "Shut off all fuel and air conditioning. Close all doors and windows. Seek shelter immediately." The fuel and air conditioning thing is standard for any emergency, just in case of chemical agents or explosions.

    The shooting happened on 72nd and Support, for those of you who are familiar with Ft Hood. I work on 53rd and Battalion. My company is roughly 2-3 blocks away from the location where the shooting took place.

    I am personally undergoing a Medical Evaluation Board (MEB). This means that in a few months, I will be medically retired from the Army. I am being looked at for PTSD. I am on several drugs. Ambien, Trazedone, and Prazosin, all for sleep and nightmares. For anxiety and depression I am on Effexor.

    Let me tell you from personal experience, these drugs do not make you angry, or volatile. In fact, they do the opposite. They can put you in an almost zombielike state where you just don't care. That's been my own experience, as well as the experience of an E7 who used to be my PSG; 2 E6s, who used to be my SQLs at one point; and 5 other E5s, 2 I used to work with, and 3 I work with now.

    I am looking at the drug fact sheet for Effexor right now. Common side effects: Nausea, drowsiness, dizziness, dry mouth, constipation, loss of appetite, blurred vision, nervousness, trouble sleeping, unusual sweating, and yawning.

    Rare, but more serious side effects: easy bruising/bleeding, decreased interest in sex, changes in sexual ability, muscle cramps/weakness, and shaking.

    Since the medication increases serotonin, there is a chance of serotonin poisoning, which can lead to: fast heartbeat, hallucinations, los of coordination, severe dizziness, severe nausea/vomiting/diarrhea, twitching muscles, unexplained fever, and unusual agitation/restlessness.

    That last group is the only way the drugs could have the effect claimed by some. But that isn't the drug itself. If those symptoms begin occurring, then the drug is supposed to be stopped. If it isn't, then it's the fault of either the person who is taking them for not letting their doctor know, or the fault of the doctor for not changing the prescription when told. It's very similar to the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument. It's not the drugs, it's the irresponsible use of them.

    And we go back to the possible theories: these drugs did not cause a man to hallucinate for around 8-9 hours so that he snuck a weapon on post and used it hours later.

    This was a tragedy for all involved. And to use it to try and blame drugs or drug companies is just as low as the liberals who are going to use it to scream for more gun control. Grieve for those affected. Don't try to prove a point, especially when there is none.

    Off topic, is there a problem with pill pushing? Yes. I'll readily admit that. It's because it's easier to give someone a pill and tell them everything's good and send them off to work than it is to try and actually work out the issues. That, compounded with the fact that so many claim PTSD now that it's hard to tell who's acting and who really has it. Sadly, it's almost become a status symbol, separating those who have seen real combat and those who haven't.

    Back on topic, the good news is that his family will be taken care of. Contrary to what most people think (and the civilian sector), military families get life insurance for this kind of event. So his family will be taken care of financially.
     
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    Sapper- are you at liberty to tell us what unit you are with? I was at Hood 20+ years ago. Cav and 2nd AD
     
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    I can explain it alright. I have explained it several times over.

    So no I don't think I'm being disingenuous at all but if I were it wouldn't even come close to the blatant hypocrisy and arrogance you put on display almost daily. The way I see it anyone that is as hypocritical as you insinuating someone else is being disingenuous is laughable to the extreme. :laugh:

    I'm not even going to mention all the rude childish remarks you are always spouting off to others. Okay, now that was me being disingenuous.

    I pray for you everyday. I keep thinking wow if this guy's life is so miserable that he has to act like a total jerk towards others all the time he needs all the prayer he can get and so does his family. Man I feel bad for them having to put up with you.

    Here's a hint to help you find out about the dangers of these drugs. READ THE LABELS! Duh.
     
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    Yeah, no problem. We actually just reconsolidated our entire Brigade, especially at the Battalion level. I am with A Co, 3D EN BN, 3ABCT, 1CD. Being a combat engineer, I thought that it would be a lot cooler once we reorganized from a Special Troops Battalion to an Engineer Battalion. But no, it's still CAV. And only someone who's been CAV will know what I'm talking about.

    On a side of our little side since I know you'll be interested, Salty, my combat patch (twice earned with the same unit) is the "We Work Weekends" 130th EN BDE patch. They moved to Hawaii just as I was getting to Hawaii.
     
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    I want to use this post to apologize to Poncho. It's too late to go back and edit my post about the drugs. Poncho, I worded that poorly and turned it into an anger filled rant. I should have seasoned it more, and presented facts without personal vendetta. I am sorry. I know I didn't specifically mention you in the post, but I think it was obvious who I was talking about.
     

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